FMB set height does not look right and operate at the set height in sim.

**BOBC** · Aug-28-2018, 16:25

Hi,
Mission with Me110C4 and start height over sea 20m sees immediate fail with aircraft under water within a split second, no chance to hit A for auto.
make it 100m and they survive the start, I hit A for auto as soon as fly starts,then bring them down to 20m next way point before coast. They are still higher it seems than 20m.
bring them down to 15m for attack hawkinge, they dont look 15m up though, far higher, they have to dive down at steep angle to strafe.
I wanted Epr210 to bomb though, but there is no Zerstorer bomber option. Choose bomber and on offer are KG units, choose stuka and we get StG only.
Choose Zerstorer and no bombing up option, so no ability to do Epr210 attacks yet Epr210 exists in list.

hers is the mis file,

(mis not admissable, so zip it, said doc but nowadays word is docx so forum system out of date.)
How does one post text from a mis file, akula93 managed it.

BOBC

**ATAG_Oskar** · Aug-28-2018, 18:16

Originally Posted by BOBC

Hi,
Mission with Me110C4 and start height over sea 20m sees immediate fail with aircraft under water within a split second, no chance to hit A for auto.
make it 100m and they survive the start, I hit A for auto as soon as fly starts,then bring them down to 20m next way point before coast. They are still higher it seems than 20m.
bring them down to 15m for attack hawkinge, they dont look 15m up though, far higher, they have to dive down at steep angle to strafe.
I wanted Epr210 to bomb though, but there is no Zerstorer bomber option. Choose bomber and on offer are KG units, choose stuka and we get StG only.
Choose Zerstorer and no bombing up option, so no ability to do Epr210 attacks yet Epr210 exists in list.

hers is the mis file,

(mis not admissable, so zip it, said doc but nowadays word is docx so forum system out of date.)
How does one post text from a mis file, akula93 managed it.

BOBC

Not sure what the problem is. I ran your mission and it worked fine, the 110s strafed the targets.

I added a C-4B to observe the mission from and posted it below. Use the # formatting button to make CODE tags.

Code:

[PARTS]
  core.100
  bob.100
[MAIN]
  MAP Land$English_Channel_1940
  BattleArea 150000 100000 100000 150000 1000
  TIME 12.4661114129703
  WeatherIndex 0
  CloudsHeight 1000
  BreezeActivity 10
  ThermalActivity 10
  player BoB_LW_ErprGr210.100
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**BOBC** · Aug-28-2018, 18:37

Hi,
yes after initial failures I now have them starting 100m over sea so they dont end up with the fishes immediate, I wanted them starting at 20m though but they splash immediate.

The 15m height when flown is far higher, they are not coming in at hawkinge at 15m up, 15m is 49ft which is 8 humans standing on each others heads !. almost the height of a hanger.

They are high in sky and having to dive down strafing at 45 degrees.

I have them escaping UK at low height yet they are way up in sky, my stills of low flying 110s are anything but.

BOBC

Originally Posted by ATAG_Oskar

Not sure what the problem is. I ran your mission and it worked fine, the 110s strafed the targets.

I added a C-4B to observe the mission from and posted it below. Use the # formatting button to make CODE tags.

Code:

[PARTS]
  core.100
  bob.100
[MAIN]
  MAP Land$English_Channel_1940
  BattleArea 150000 100000 100000 150000 1000
  TIME 12.4661114129703
  WeatherIndex 0
  CloudsHeight 1000
  BreezeActivity 10
  ThermalActivity 10
  player BoB_LW_ErprGr210.100
[GlobalWind_0]
  Power 3.000 0.000 0.000
  BottomBound 0.00
  TopBound 1500.00
  GustPower 0
  GustAngle 45
[splines]
[AirGroups]
  BoB_LW_ErprGr210.07
  BoB_LW_ErprGr210.11
[BoB_LW_ErprGr210.07]
  Flight0  1 2 3
  Flight1  11 12 13
  Flight2  21 22 23
  Class Aircraft.Bf-110C-4
  Formation VIC
  CallSign 26
  Fuel 100
  Weapons 1
  SetOnPark 1
  Skill 1 1 1 1 1 1 1 1
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  Aging1 10
  Aging2 15
  Aging10 10
  Aging11 15
  Aging12 9
  Aging20 7
  Aging21 14
  Aging22 7
  Skin0 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin1 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin2 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin10 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin11 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin12 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin20 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin21 RLM02_71_65.jpg
  Skin22 RLM02_71_65.jpg
[BoB_LW_ErprGr210.07_Way]
  NORMFLY 254747.57 226923.67 70.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 244251.24 232452.15 15.00 350.00
  GATTACK_TARG 234991.52 232764.25 10.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 230591.85 232712.84 10.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 225973.33 230005.35 10.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 222682.85 224025.22 10.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 222376.85 211550.95 10.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 229405.23 197631.13 30.00 350.00
  NORMFLY 243455.71 187443.87 100.00 250.00
  NORMFLY 257561.27 176804.79 100.00 250.00
  LANDING 267512.31 166984.04 50.00 200.00
[BoB_LW_ErprGr210.11]
  Flight0  1
  Class Aircraft.Bf-110C-4B
  Formation FINGERFOUR
  CallSign 26
  Fuel 20
  Weapons 1
  Skill 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3 0.3
[BoB_LW_ErprGr210.11_Way]
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  NORMFLY 254964.20 225508.25 500.00 300.00
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[Stationary]
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**ATAG_Oskar** · Aug-28-2018, 18:49

Originally Posted by BOBC

The 15m height when flown is far higher, they are not coming in at hawkinge at 15m up, 15m is 49ft which is 8 humans standing on each others heads !. almost the height of a hanger.

They are high in sky and having to dive down strafing at 45 degrees.

I'm a 110 pilot and I dive at a 30 to 45 degree angle from 400m to strafe. You have told the AI aircraft to do a ground attack so they are ignoring your altitude parameter and getting a better angle.

Originally Posted by BOBC

I have them escaping UK at low height yet they are way up in sky, my stills of low flying 110s are anything but.

BOBC

I followed your mission all the way down to Dungeness and it looked good. They are doing what they've been told, flying low like you specified.

**BOBC** · Aug-29-2018, 16:21

Hi,

I'm a 110 pilot and I dive at a 30 to 45 degree angle from 400m to strafe.

But I am not wishing them to mimmick your attack method, whatever you do is one thing, but I want them tree top height, under the radar, hedge hopping ! as per KG76 do17Z's.

You have told the AI aircraft to do a ground attack so they are ignoring your altitude parameter and getting a better angle.

Is CoD hard coded that target attack is a minimum height and to ignore waypoint height ?

To test this I have edited mission to be just flight 10m up ! see pics, but they are far more than 10m up.

I originally specified 49ft and they are not 8 humans up in the sky, but much much higher. Beech trees are about 50ft tall, the trees in the landscape are sort of beech, these 110 are many trees up., not 2 or 3 or even 4 x my height but more.

KG76 came in at 50ft and I am building up to doing that raid by experimenting with epr210.

I followed your mission all the way down to Dungeness and it looked good.

maybe to you but not what I wanted, I need 50ft up. Beech Tree top.

How do I get them to fly at 50ft ? (15m) tree top !

here they are exact over cliffs as I paused it in plan view , far higher than the cliffs let alone the trees, a tree is 50ft.

and inland, I set the route to 10m up and no target attack just out on a jolly !

and over Hawkinge peritrack, note height of trees, houses and hangers, hanger is over 10m, house easily 10m and more !

10m or 15m seems to see same height.

BOBC

**DD_FT** · Aug-29-2018, 16:53

Looks like you are asking the AI to do things it just can't or won't.

Just an idea: Make it a really interesting and fun mission, write a brief, announce it, invite pil2ots to join - or an entire squad - or even two - host it ... record it.
Should give you plenty of stuff to work with ...

**ATAG_Oskar** · Aug-29-2018, 17:18

Whatever the deficiencies in the AI we at least have something to look forward to, the complete re-write in TF5. I have spent many frustrating hours marvelling at the behaviour of the AI but that's all going to be ancient history soon.

**BOBC** · Aug-29-2018, 19:50

Originally Posted by ATAG_Oskar

Whatever the deficiencies in the AI we at least have something to look forward to, the complete re-write in TF5. I have spent many frustrating hours marvelling at the behaviour of the AI but that's all going to be ancient history soon.

so for the moment we cant waypoint a tree top raid then, . height has to be a good 10x out error.

The only way to get videos and photos of a low level is to fly the lead aircraft and the rest follow, at tree top, which will be fun.

This was supposed to be Epr210 on a bombing mission but CoD has no option for bombed up Zerstorers of Epr210., had to make to with a strafe instead.
I will explore bomb carrying 109s see if its got that .

BOBC