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    Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    I favour bomber missions in multiplayer, either flying the Blenheim with the RAF or Ju.88 and He 111 with blue. I have tried both low level bombing and high level with moderate success. Most successful is dive bombing in the Ju.88, both in bombing accuracy and survivability. Also skip bombing with the Blenheim and Ju.88 produces good results. Low level fast runs over a land target usually end up being shot down by flak. Moderate results have been achieved at very high level (6 or 7k) but targets are obviously difficult to spot so accuracy suffers. Any experienced bomber pilots out there offer any tips or advice that may improve my survivability?

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Gibson View Post
    I favour bomber missions in multiplayer, either flying the Blenheim with the RAF or Ju.88 and He 111 with blue. I have tried both low level bombing and high level with moderate success. Most successful is dive bombing in the Ju.88, both in bombing accuracy and survivability. Also skip bombing with the Blenheim and Ju.88 produces good results. Low level fast runs over a land target usually end up being shot down by flak. Moderate results have been achieved at very high level (6 or 7k) but targets are obviously difficult to spot so accuracy suffers. Any experienced bomber pilots out there offer any tips or advice that may improve my survivability?

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    High is more fun. Also easier on fighter escorts. Start with obvious target such as airfields etc. With practice you will become more and more accurate.

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    We in our squad mainly do low level strikes (due to the fact that we have one guy that refuses to do level-bombing, let's call him DerDa in this thread) in Blennies.
    Depending on the targets, which server, mission, how much defenses etc. we often end up with at least 1 Blennie down out of 2 to 4 ship-strikes. It happens that all survive though seldom without damage.
    It is definitely an advantage if you are not alone but do a coordinated attack to split up the AAA. Sometimes we manage to get some AAA down before the Blennies arrive, that helps of course as well.

    I guess when the Wellington arrives in 5.0 we will need to get used to high level bombing, then hopefully with a better bombsight, but still low level is quite fun and finding the target is not always easy.

    Either way, do not expect to survive unless you have a strong escort with you, if AAA is not getting you 9./JG52 will if you fly red.
    Just never give up trying, it's worth it and you learn every time.

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    If anyone wants to learn how to effectively bomb from altitude, join me online.

    We will get your skills to new heights.

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Gibson View Post
    I favour bomber missions in multiplayer, either flying the Blenheim with the RAF or Ju.88 and He 111 with blue. I have tried both low level bombing and high level with moderate success. Most successful is dive bombing in the Ju.88, both in bombing accuracy and survivability. Also skip bombing with the Blenheim and Ju.88 produces good results. Low level fast runs over a land target usually end up being shot down by flak. Moderate results have been achieved at very high level (6 or 7k) but targets are obviously difficult to spot so accuracy suffers. Any experienced bomber pilots out there offer any tips or advice that may improve my survivability?

    Gibby.
    Yep. If you fly alone in multiplayer everithing you said is 100% correct and nothing else can be added.

    But things changed if you join group of bombers!
    When you fly in close formation of bombers it is much more chance to hit target from high altitude by one of the bombers in the group or by all of them. Also flying in the group higly increse your chance to survive in low altitude attacks.

    The biggest problem is to find the group itself!

    As for me, right now, I have few ways of how to fly in group of bombers:
    1) ACG campaign that is now running every sunday at 1900GMT where bomber pilots fly only Blenheims. But you have to sign in to campaign due to the ACG rules and fly most of the sunday missions. More details: Looking to Join?
    2) ATAG events, that are not so freqent but give a lot of fun! Just look to this thread every day and wait for the announcement: ATAG Bomber/Fighter Campaigns
    3) And the hardest way is to join teamspeak and start to bother everyone about whether he wants to fly with a group of bombers or escort a group of bombers.... But this days are gone because this method takes to much time!

    Just watch this:
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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kayo View Post
    (due to the fact that we have one guy that refuses to do level-bombing, let's call him DerDa in this thread) in Blennies.
    Hey, it's just because I suffer from vertigo!!!

    And all them keys and lever and thinking you have to do with those bombsights!

    No, no, there is no fun but hopping over hedges and fences with milimeter distance at full speed!
    If you do this in a group its an absolute hoot!

    Still, I would love to find the time to accept DRock's tempting offer ...

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by DerDa View Post
    Hey, it's just because I suffer from vertigo!!!

    And all them keys and lever and thinking you have to do with those bombsights!

    No, no, there is no fun but hopping over hedges and fences with milimeter distance at full speed!
    If you do this in a group its an absolute hoot!

    Still, I would love to find the time to accept DRock's tempting offer ...
    There's lots of fun to be found from altitude.

    https://youtu.be/_fHIsTyu5Bk?t=420

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    I think the He-111 is a better bomber than the Ju-88 from alt. so i use that all the time. I always come in from 6.5k or higher and hit airfields which are easy to see from that alt. 111 climbs great, durable and a good diver also. always decrease the fuel load
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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Bl**dy heck, sorry Rostic, I have once again been victimised by the tiny thumbs up icon on mobile
    Sorry for the downvote, just imagine it is the other way up and green

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    I won't speak for everyone, but I would love to pass on my knowledge to those who want training[red or blue]. If you see me on, just ask, and I'll train/fly with ya. I'm sure you know the others who would gladly help as well.

    When it comes to altitude bombing;
    * Plan non direct routes.[so you are not picked off in those pesky between altitudes aka from 100 meters to 7500 meters] This also keeps you out of the furballs that always happen at the points/mid channel.
    * To maintain altitude, Autopilot on course should be used above 7k. Just trim her out and it's the next best thing.
    * Pay attention to the wind report before take off. Try to fly directly into or with the wind when bombing small targets.[the report tells you the direction the wind is going and the speed is in meters per second. this is backwards compared to the civilized world]
    * Know your targets, and the roads/fields they are on. Use key features to know where to aim at height.
    * 20-30% fuel is enough to take you around the world
    * USE TEAMSPEAK!

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_DRock View Post
    There's lots of fun to be found from altitude.

    https://youtu.be/_fHIsTyu5Bk?t=420

    Hi Chaps.

    Thanks so much for the great advice. All so useful and a great help.


    From experience on line I realised early on that bombers are pretty much sitting ducks when you get a 109 or Spitfire on your six. I suppose stealth, speed and evasive action are your only means of survival as the AI gunners are pretty useless. Last weekend in a Ju.88 I got chased by a Spitfire from Littlestone across the channel and at wave top height all the way to Boulogne only to crash in the harbour. The Spitfire pilot had just run out of ammo but hit my engines with his last few rounds. One hell of a fast kite the 88 without bombs.
    As soon as the message goes up that a certain target is `so much' percent destroyed then the vultures descend on you. Can't wait till the Wimpy comes along with 5. Perhaps the fighter jockeys will think twice when faced with 4 x 303 Brownings .

    Great video DRock nice to see Blennies all together and love the` Band of Blennies' sound track.

    Cheers Lads.

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Gibson View Post
    Hi Chaps.

    Thanks so much for the great advice. All so useful and a great help.


    From experience on line I realised early on that bombers are pretty much sitting ducks when you get a 109 or Spitfire on your six. I suppose stealth, speed and evasive action are your only means of survival as the AI gunners are pretty useless. Last weekend in a Ju.88 I got chased by a Spitfire from Littlestone across the channel and at wave top height all the way to Boulogne only to crash in the harbour. The Spitfire pilot had just run out of ammo but hit my engines with his last few rounds. One hell of a fast kite the 88 without bombs.
    As soon as the message goes up that a certain target is `so much' percent destroyed then the vultures descend on you. Can't wait till the Wimpy comes along with 5. Perhaps the fighter jockeys will think twice when faced with 4 x 303 Brownings .

    Great video DRock nice to see Blennies all together and love the` Band of Blennies' sound track.

    Cheers Lads.

    Gibby.
    You left out the most important form of protection the bombers have, which is escorts.

    A well organized fighter escort squadron won't even allow enemies near you.


    When online, and on my team, you may see a callout from us such as, BOMBERS REQUESTING AIR SUPPORT FROM EASTCHURCH 5 MINUTES.

    It works, try it.

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_DRock View Post
    You left out the most important form of protection the bombers have, which is escorts.

    A well organized fighter escort squadron won't even allow enemies near you.


    When online, and on my team, you may see a callout from us such as, BOMBERS REQUESTING AIR SUPPORT FROM EASTCHURCH 5 MINUTES.

    It works, try it.
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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Gibson View Post
    Will do mate.
    Just make sure you are on "Friendly Chat" when you request that, otherwise you'll just be giving your position away.
    In the chat window, right click on All and select Friendly => only your team will be able to see what you type.
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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sgt Gibson View Post
    Hi Chaps.

    Thanks so much for the great advice. All so useful and a great help.


    From experience on line I realised early on that bombers are pretty much sitting ducks when you get a 109 or Spitfire on your six. I suppose stealth, speed and evasive action are your only means of survival as the AI gunners are pretty useless. Last weekend in a Ju.88 I got chased by a Spitfire from Littlestone across the channel and at wave top height all the way to Boulogne only to crash in the harbour. The Spitfire pilot had just run out of ammo but hit my engines with his last few rounds. One hell of a fast kite the 88 without bombs.
    As soon as the message goes up that a certain target is `so much' percent destroyed then the vultures descend on you. Can't wait till the Wimpy comes along with 5. Perhaps the fighter jockeys will think twice when faced with 4 x 303 Brownings .

    Great video DRock nice to see Blennies all together and love the` Band of Blennies' sound track.

    Cheers Lads.

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    Gibby - i'd reccomend learning how to do your own gunnery as this makes a huge difference to your survivability. Takes a bit of practice to shoot and fly the aircraft at the same time but once you get the hang of it it becomes second nature. Load up with a lot of tracer and fire in small bursts so u can correct your aim and then empty your drum once you are on tgt. And fire at long range before they get into their gun range - the rear gun has a pretty flat trajectory and is easy to aim.

    Many players think a bomber is an easy kill and will come in from dead astern giving you a pretty easy non deflection shot. In the -111 bunt the aircraft when you are changing ammo drums if u are under attack as this brings your underneath rear gunner into play while you load up.

    You wont always survive but i can usually get some good hits and often convince my attackers to find someone else to pick on or limp home with a damaged engine. If you are at altitude and the attack occurs after your bomb drop - which u can usually achieve with planning - you can then glide back home if u have lost your engines.

    Ive had some very satisfying sorties bombing baby milk factories and then shooting down attackers in my top rear gun and then limping home in a damaged aircraft. If you do this in company with some other intrepid bomber pilots its extra satisfying.

    Good luck.

    Ezzie

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    I find that looking at my opponents sometimes helps me decide whether go high or low if there is a lot of old hands I might choose low the old guys are pretty sharp on looking for you on radar ( never go straight there and high if Snapper is on ) I think he has 2 radar screens by his night table . Most everything was said already but take a little longer trip, stay away from mobs of fighters duking it out don't Fly over ships there is too much company there . smoke jumper likes to patrol around dungess , I used to like t go there not so much now . I find it a little hard to scare up an escort but a good one or two with you and you can be real successful hitting targets in bigger games we have lots of them and you can really see how great they are the JG's come to mind for that . I go low more than high now days but Altitude bombing is the most fun , less flack damage , sometimes you drop and are on the way home before they know , its fun to bomb some rascal taking off to kill you too ! If you go high and are fatally attacked many times you can glide on into your target turn off the Bomb sight and Kamikaze in I hate doing it but after a long flight it seems fair enough. As Ezzie said learn you back gunner lots of tracers in there it helps a lot on hitting and its effective New guys can be hit easy old guys not so much they like to slash across your field of view and are safer . rear gunning can get you home once in awhile . most important spend some time practicing dropping on smaller targets , bomb some hangers on your own fields way in the back if you have too if your accurate you can sometimes make 3 or 4 targets on one load a big help in a close map . it takes a long time to get to altitude so if you are pressed for time maybe low is worth it . its kind of a balance for me when I decide how many bombers are on how far are targets etc some days I cant cant get off the airfield other days you cant miss from 10k . I think reds are heavy on good fighter pilots and blues have a slight advantage on bombing but maybe it just seems that way from being shot down a million times . Interesting question, glad you asked it it made me think about that a lot

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Ok, ok ... you convinced me that high altitude bombing has its advantages.
    But maybe more so for the blue side. Both a Ju 88 or a He 111 can load a lot of bombs and have very impressive defensive armament.
    The Blennie instead with two 500 lb bombs (+ 8 funny little eastereggs) and a single or double peashooter on its back is pretty pathetic in comparison.

    We should get a Wellington! That would change things a lot ... oh, wait

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by DerDa View Post
    .... The Blennie instead with two 500 lb bombs (+ 8 funny little eastereggs) ....
    Do not joke about Easter eggs. They destroy armored vehicles within a radius of 10m and unarmored vehicles within a radius of 20m!

    The deadliest bombload is 2x250 lbs + 12x40 lbs bombs and external 8x40 lbs bombs on the fuselage rack. This means at least 22 vehicles can be destroyed, in case when each egg hit the target!



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    Re: Bomgbers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ezzie View Post
    Gibby - i'd reccomend learning how to duo your own gunnery as this makes a huge difference to your survivability. Takes a bit of practice to shoot and fly the aircraft at the same time but once you get the hang of it it becomes second nature. Load up with a lot of tracer and fire in small bursts so u can correct your aim and then empty your drum once you are on tgt. And fire at long range before they get into their gun range - the rear gun has a pretty flat trajectory and is easy to aim.

    Many players think a bomber is an easy kill and will come in from dead astern giving you a pretty easy non deflection shot. In the -111 bunt the aircraft when you are changing ammo drums if u are under attack as this brings your underneath rear gunner into play while you load up.

    You wont always survive but i can usually get some good hits and often convince my attackers to find someone else to pick on or limp home with a damaged engine. If you are at altitude and the attack occurs after your bomb drop - which u can usually achieve with planning - you can then glide back home if u have lost your engines.

    Ive had some very satisfying sorties bombing baby milk factories and then shooting down attackers in my top rear gun and then limping home in a damaged aircraft. If you do this in company with some other intrepid bomber pilots its extra satisfying.

    Good luck.

    Ezzie
    Thanks chaps lots of good advice. I will have to try manning the rear gun if attacked as Ezzie suggested. I did try it once in a Ju.87 and scored hits on a Spitfire which left him smoking. Unfortunately I was too low to recover and got the chop.

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    Re: Bombers. Going in high or low which is best.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Ezzie View Post
    Gibby - i'd reccomend learning how to do your own gunnery as this makes a huge difference to your survivability. Takes a bit of practice to shoot and fly the aircraft at the same time but once you get the hang of it it becomes second nature. Load up with a lot of tracer and fire in small bursts so u can correct your aim and then empty your drum once you are on tgt. And fire at long range before they get into their gun range - the rear gun has a pretty flat trajectory and is easy to aim.

    Many players think a bomber is an easy kill and will come in from dead astern giving you a pretty easy non deflection shot. In the -111 bunt the aircraft when you are changing ammo drums if u are under attack as this brings your underneath rear gunner into play while you load up.

    You wont always survive but i can usually get some good hits and often convince my attackers to find someone else to pick on or limp home with a damaged engine. If you are at altitude and the attack occurs after your bomb drop - which u can usually achieve with planning - you can then glide back home if u have lost your engines.

    Ive had some very satisfying sorties bombing baby milk factories and then shooting down attackers in my top rear gun and then limping home in a damaged aircraft. If you do this in company with some other intrepid bomber pilots its extra satisfying.

    Good luck.

    Ezzie

    Secretly taking some notes for bomber interception
    Definitely some great tips, I still can't quite figure out how you fellows do fly and fire at the same time

    (Also I am going to stop liking posts on this thread, I am obviously inccapable)

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