Launcher crashes in 4.57 with DMP files

**TWC_Flug** · Jan-12-2020, 17:41

I have been having quite a few Launcher crashes in 4.57.

Based on when they happen, best guess is it might be something related to either sounds or force feedback joystick (I run a MS Sidewinder joystick with FF turned on).

I've attached seven recent DMP files in case they are helpful:

cppcrash.zip

**ATAG_Torian** · Jan-13-2020, 03:16

Hi Flug,
Always worthwhile with any "I have been having (whatever problem)" thread to include your system specs (like in my sig below).
A couple of things to try initially:
Check the game files in Steam to make sure the game isn't corrupted.
Windows updates have been known to foul up video card drivers and cause this sort of thing. It's a simple re-install of the driver to fix tho.
In CloD game "Options" check ur Video settings and see if u are in Full Screen ON or in Pseudo. If Full Screen is ON then try setting it to Psuedo.
Do u have a system monitor utility that can show gpu and cpu temps as well as other performance parameters that might indicate a bottleneck ?
MooO system monitor is a free utility if u don't have one https://www.moo0.com/?top=https://ww...SystemMonitor/

**TWC_Flug** · Feb-07-2020, 18:40

Originally Posted by ATAG_Torian

Hi Flug,
Always worthwhile with any "I have been having (whatever problem)" thread to include your system specs (like in my sig below).
A couple of things to try initially:

Many thanks for this. My graphics card "died" last summer. So I went many months with no graphics card (motherboard built-in), then replaced it with my old, slow but known-good card, and now to you--thanks for pointing out that the Windows update hosed may graphics cards settings--I figured out that it was working just fine the whole time.

(When Windows killed the settings it made something happen at boot, and then it posted to my 2nd monitor, which I didn't notice thanks to another computer hooked up to it that takes over the screen if the first computer isn't active--and so I assumed it must be dead. Anyway, long story short, all fixed and working again thanks to your comment above.)

Anyway, regardless of completely updated drivers on my old card (GTX 960 or something like that--it's not installed now), and new GTX 1060 installed and brand new drivers, I was still getting the regular crashes.

I strongly suspected the crashes were due to a bug in the force feedback handler. Pretty much every single Launcher crash comes at a moment when I would expect to feel a little bump or vibration to start on the stick.

So here is a selection of Error logs from Windows Logs over the past month. There are lots more, but that are all basically the same--maddox.objects.effects.ForceFeedback (or perhaps whatever calls it) seems to be the cause.

Also FYI I went into SteamLibrary\steamapps\common\IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs of Dover Blitz\parts\core\FF and removed all of the .FFE files except for SPRING.FFE.

No crashes whatsoever since then.

I am pretty such this is caused by a certain bump or jolt effect in the forcefeedback code--maybe in punch.ffe or shake.ffe? Anyway, when a certain effect of that type triggers in certain situations, then crash with the error as listed below.

My system info is at the bottom just FYI.

Code:

Application: Launcher64.exe
Framework Version: v4.0.30319
Description: The process was terminated due to an unhandled exception.
Exception Info: System.AccessViolationException
   at <Module>.rts.?A0xf78dec5b.setEffectGain(rts.EFFECTS_NODE*, Int32)
   at GvrAEaiQCsaTWDfv1L3BIjUpzF_5ixJ7$knEUZUtsHPH+mzGiM$1StfeoZYMEqjoX6USSNn7CoU01r6g40DfHswWHYSZLH2QnJ1S$M06_2MaDAY_8ZHpeFjyipCbCwHVEn5c.nSkwFUPXx$MsWNNDwg4J02I(Single)
   at maddox.objects.effects.ForceFeedback.qOzDLZvHVuIRfHyFarYSsXA(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.W4PoHpqEPh6sCwH_SvBfcsLKYxyFvVEILkmOnJeyy3Yb(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.NdtVfBFOUo8sBpHhW4o0nPg(Double)
   at TNKkAcSuawGGAInhdCMgtVB1jZvc_joc87rBU8BjL6yN.vBp10yIv7$PiEY8l9wwBPME(Double)
   at 5VUIhZAfLLjlWb5rvC1y5Il_cwouhW5eZUX_AMML8alS+zHbrQdalUr$0FVVJ70h5H2O7SvcGFYB4EvDP6PMb3RJvqO3gSg71zWPFnl$OVlPSlQ.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at 4lFQrekintdZTkhMfDPtQkRUhCiE4wEk3Y$4KfiOXE3S.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at B3ik9i8vEcErjO61EnV5pr8xSg_fKyjgLBB2LLZAsCag.9pab1TQFb7TOkw5gQ3ntgHA()
   at iIer_m0niFeAfdO$W3iyIyiI$ngG4FHCF6MXe1TJ$JOb.RCg41tE05t0y9dUsvW1Y5dA(Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.s1J6D1WkYrSB0YrRqEzT6Lg(Boolean, Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.bh301Qde8FIoiT4wyRV9J$s(Double, Double)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.fJXDhLsKN6ayoknA3AcuyfM()
   at 29RjLSAReXEUSv0bsMmaiA9zVXLP0ym1LjCepgx5u8k7.WuROX084_l22L6Cx4AzEfnQ()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.pAIf0AEqmWcHUcu2It$ySZs()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.O64GqHFa2fopqVi6EWi5LMNa6pj6LaV7rC9iPR5wvIfY()

Exception Info: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException
   at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethod(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Signature, Boolean)
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.UnsafeInvokeInternal(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Object[])
   at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl(System.Object[])
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl()
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext.Run(MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.LegacyInvokeImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority, System.TimeSpan, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
   at MS.Win32.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessage(System.Windows.Interop.MSG ByRef)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame)
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.4RbSSDv13n5tsTfRCBplbDw()
   at RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ.ccgEwiqz06skldTjEnhRh8k(RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ, System.String[], System.String, System.String)
   at 9MJVJS0Op_RWoEUtjFFh0i6XF1D7pu8BBz_H2DLdBD4y.MYwNeGOD_3nnjet2W4J1Qjw(System.String[])
   at maddox.Launch.Program(System.String[])
   at Launcher.Program.Main(System.String[])

Code:

Application: Launcher64.exe
Framework Version: v4.0.30319
Description: The process was terminated due to an unhandled exception.
Exception Info: System.AccessViolationException
   at <Module>.rts.?A0xf78dec5b.setEffectDirection(rts.EFFECTS_NODE*, Int32, Int32)
   at GvrAEaiQCsaTWDfv1L3BIjUpzF_5ixJ7$knEUZUtsHPH+mzGiM$1StfeoZYMEqjoX6USSNn7CoU01r6g40DfHswWHYSZLH2QnJ1S$M06_2MaDAY_8ZHpeFjyipCbCwHVEn5c.jVhH_8x1F1jBXhDf5KfJ1Qg(Single, Single)
   at maddox.objects.effects.ForceFeedback.dF4VG9CgY$yrAkrTivZ9pX0(Single, Single, Single)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.W4PoHpqEPh6sCwH_SvBfcsLKYxyFvVEILkmOnJeyy3Yb(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.NdtVfBFOUo8sBpHhW4o0nPg(Double)
   at TNKkAcSuawGGAInhdCMgtVB1jZvc_joc87rBU8BjL6yN.vBp10yIv7$PiEY8l9wwBPME(Double)
   at 5VUIhZAfLLjlWb5rvC1y5Il_cwouhW5eZUX_AMML8alS+zHbrQdalUr$0FVVJ70h5H2O7SvcGFYB4EvDP6PMb3RJvqO3gSg71zWPFnl$OVlPSlQ.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at 4lFQrekintdZTkhMfDPtQkRUhCiE4wEk3Y$4KfiOXE3S.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at B3ik9i8vEcErjO61EnV5pr8xSg_fKyjgLBB2LLZAsCag.9pab1TQFb7TOkw5gQ3ntgHA()
   at iIer_m0niFeAfdO$W3iyIyiI$ngG4FHCF6MXe1TJ$JOb.RCg41tE05t0y9dUsvW1Y5dA(Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.s1J6D1WkYrSB0YrRqEzT6Lg(Boolean, Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.bh301Qde8FIoiT4wyRV9J$s(Double, Double)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.fJXDhLsKN6ayoknA3AcuyfM()
   at 29RjLSAReXEUSv0bsMmaiA9zVXLP0ym1LjCepgx5u8k7.WuROX084_l22L6Cx4AzEfnQ()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.pAIf0AEqmWcHUcu2It$ySZs()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.O64GqHFa2fopqVi6EWi5LMNa6pj6LaV7rC9iPR5wvIfY()

Exception Info: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException
   at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethod(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Signature, Boolean)
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.UnsafeInvokeInternal(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Object[])
   at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl(System.Object[])
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl()
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext.Run(MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.LegacyInvokeImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority, System.TimeSpan, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
   at MS.Win32.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessage(System.Windows.Interop.MSG ByRef)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame)
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.4RbSSDv13n5tsTfRCBplbDw()
   at RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ.ccgEwiqz06skldTjEnhRh8k(RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ, System.String[], System.String, System.String)
   at 9MJVJS0Op_RWoEUtjFFh0i6XF1D7pu8BBz_H2DLdBD4y.MYwNeGOD_3nnjet2W4J1Qjw(System.String[])
   at maddox.Launch.Program(System.String[])
   at Launcher.Program.Main(System.String[])

Code:

Application: Launcher64.exe
Framework Version: v4.0.30319
Description: The process was terminated due to an unhandled exception.
Exception Info: System.AccessViolationException
   at <Module>.rts.?A0xf78dec5b.setEffectDirection(rts.EFFECTS_NODE*, Int32, Int32)
   at GvrAEaiQCsaTWDfv1L3BIjUpzF_5ixJ7$knEUZUtsHPH+mzGiM$1StfeoZYMEqjoX6USSNn7CoU01r6g40DfHswWHYSZLH2QnJ1S$M06_2MaDAY_8ZHpeFjyipCbCwHVEn5c.jVhH_8x1F1jBXhDf5KfJ1Qg(Single, Single)
   at maddox.objects.effects.ForceFeedback.dF4VG9CgY$yrAkrTivZ9pX0(Single, Single, Single)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.W4PoHpqEPh6sCwH_SvBfcsLKYxyFvVEILkmOnJeyy3Yb(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.NdtVfBFOUo8sBpHhW4o0nPg(Double)
   at TNKkAcSuawGGAInhdCMgtVB1jZvc_joc87rBU8BjL6yN.vBp10yIv7$PiEY8l9wwBPME(Double)
   at 5VUIhZAfLLjlWb5rvC1y5Il_cwouhW5eZUX_AMML8alS+zHbrQdalUr$0FVVJ70h5H2O7SvcGFYB4EvDP6PMb3RJvqO3gSg71zWPFnl$OVlPSlQ.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at 4lFQrekintdZTkhMfDPtQkRUhCiE4wEk3Y$4KfiOXE3S.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at B3ik9i8vEcErjO61EnV5pr8xSg_fKyjgLBB2LLZAsCag.9pab1TQFb7TOkw5gQ3ntgHA()
   at iIer_m0niFeAfdO$W3iyIyiI$ngG4FHCF6MXe1TJ$JOb.RCg41tE05t0y9dUsvW1Y5dA(Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.s1J6D1WkYrSB0YrRqEzT6Lg(Boolean, Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.bh301Qde8FIoiT4wyRV9J$s(Double, Double)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.fJXDhLsKN6ayoknA3AcuyfM()
   at 29RjLSAReXEUSv0bsMmaiA9zVXLP0ym1LjCepgx5u8k7.WuROX084_l22L6Cx4AzEfnQ()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.pAIf0AEqmWcHUcu2It$ySZs()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.O64GqHFa2fopqVi6EWi5LMNa6pj6LaV7rC9iPR5wvIfY()

Exception Info: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException
   at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethod(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Signature, Boolean)
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.UnsafeInvokeInternal(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Object[])
   at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl(System.Object[])
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl()
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext.Run(MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.LegacyInvokeImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority, System.TimeSpan, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
   at MS.Win32.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessage(System.Windows.Interop.MSG ByRef)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame)
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.4RbSSDv13n5tsTfRCBplbDw()
   at RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ.ccgEwiqz06skldTjEnhRh8k(RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ, System.String[], System.String, System.String)
   at 9MJVJS0Op_RWoEUtjFFh0i6XF1D7pu8BBz_H2DLdBD4y.MYwNeGOD_3nnjet2W4J1Qjw(System.String[])
   at maddox.Launch.Program(System.String[])
   at Launcher.Program.Main(System.String[])

Code:

Application: Launcher64.exe
Framework Version: v4.0.30319
Description: The process was terminated due to an unhandled exception.
Exception Info: System.AccessViolationException
   at <Module>.rts.?A0xf78dec5b.setEffectGain(rts.EFFECTS_NODE*, Int32)
   at GvrAEaiQCsaTWDfv1L3BIjUpzF_5ixJ7$knEUZUtsHPH+mzGiM$1StfeoZYMEqjoX6USSNn7CoU01r6g40DfHswWHYSZLH2QnJ1S$M06_2MaDAY_8ZHpeFjyipCbCwHVEn5c.nSkwFUPXx$MsWNNDwg4J02I(Single)
   at maddox.objects.effects.ForceFeedback.qOzDLZvHVuIRfHyFarYSsXA(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.W4PoHpqEPh6sCwH_SvBfcsLKYxyFvVEILkmOnJeyy3Yb(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.NdtVfBFOUo8sBpHhW4o0nPg(Double)
   at TNKkAcSuawGGAInhdCMgtVB1jZvc_joc87rBU8BjL6yN.vBp10yIv7$PiEY8l9wwBPME(Double)
   at 5VUIhZAfLLjlWb5rvC1y5Il_cwouhW5eZUX_AMML8alS+zHbrQdalUr$0FVVJ70h5H2O7SvcGFYB4EvDP6PMb3RJvqO3gSg71zWPFnl$OVlPSlQ.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at 4lFQrekintdZTkhMfDPtQkRUhCiE4wEk3Y$4KfiOXE3S.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at B3ik9i8vEcErjO61EnV5pr8xSg_fKyjgLBB2LLZAsCag.9pab1TQFb7TOkw5gQ3ntgHA()
   at iIer_m0niFeAfdO$W3iyIyiI$ngG4FHCF6MXe1TJ$JOb.RCg41tE05t0y9dUsvW1Y5dA(Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.s1J6D1WkYrSB0YrRqEzT6Lg(Boolean, Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.bh301Qde8FIoiT4wyRV9J$s(Double, Double)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.fJXDhLsKN6ayoknA3AcuyfM()
   at 29RjLSAReXEUSv0bsMmaiA9zVXLP0ym1LjCepgx5u8k7.WuROX084_l22L6Cx4AzEfnQ()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.pAIf0AEqmWcHUcu2It$ySZs()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.O64GqHFa2fopqVi6EWi5LMNa6pj6LaV7rC9iPR5wvIfY()

Exception Info: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException
   at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethod(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Signature, Boolean)
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.UnsafeInvokeInternal(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Object[])
   at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl(System.Object[])
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl()
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext.Run(MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.LegacyInvokeImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority, System.TimeSpan, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
   at MS.Win32.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessage(System.Windows.Interop.MSG ByRef)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame)
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.4RbSSDv13n5tsTfRCBplbDw()
   at RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ.ccgEwiqz06skldTjEnhRh8k(RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ, System.String[], System.String, System.String)
   at 9MJVJS0Op_RWoEUtjFFh0i6XF1D7pu8BBz_H2DLdBD4y.MYwNeGOD_3nnjet2W4J1Qjw(System.String[])
   at maddox.Launch.Program(System.String[])
   at Launcher.Program.Main(System.String[])

SYSTEM INFORMATION

Microsoft Windows 10 Pro 64 bit, 10.0.18362 N/A Build 18362
Total Physical Memory: 20,437 MB
ASUS GeForce GTX 1060 3GB
Intel Core i5-2500 Quad-Core Processor 3.3 GHz 6 MB Cache LGA 1155
Intel DB65AL motherboard
ARCTIC Freezer i11 CPU Cooler for Intel
SVGA 500 watt power supply
Microsoft Sidewinder 2 Force Feedback joystick
Probably some other things

I ran a system monitor for quite a while and neither the CPU nor the graphics card ever gets anywhere near the warm range, let alone hot.

Right now with the game and everything running full tilt the CPU is at 54 degrees & the GPU at 62.

I usually run the game in Psuedo mode. I tried switching it to Windowed instead and of course it acts exactly the same (crashes until forcefeedback files removed).

**TWC_Flug** · Feb-07-2020, 18:50

Looks like I reported this on the bug tracker about a year ago:

https://tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/1105

My speculation at that time was that the crash/freeze happens when the force feedback turns back on after being turned off. This happens quite often as FF turns off whenever you tab out of the game, then turns back on a various specific times in the game when you go back in.

**ATAG_Torian** · Feb-07-2020, 20:18

Yes it looks like a good story for a FF issue.
I haven't owned a FF stick for about 15 years as I found them to be more problematic than helpful.
It seems that support for FF devices with Microsoft's newer XInput (which supersedes DirectInput) is flakey at best...see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectInput
Are FF sticks still being made ? If so then maybe a newer one may work better.

**TWC_Flug** · Feb-09-2020, 03:09

Here is another similar report, even with the special effects/shaking etc disabled, and only "spring.ffe" still enabled:

Code:

Application: Launcher64.exe
Framework Version: v4.0.30319
Description: The process was terminated due to an unhandled exception.
Exception Info: System.AccessViolationException
   at <Module>.rts.?A0xf78dec5b.effectStart(rts.EFFECTS_NODE*)
   at GvrAEaiQCsaTWDfv1L3BIjUpzF_5ixJ7$knEUZUtsHPH+mzGiM$1StfeoZYMEqjoX6USSNn7CoU01r6g40DfHswWHYSZLH2QnJ1S$M06_2MaDAY_8ZHpeFjyipCbCwHVEn5c.0tsuKWJ8RUYenfdALhxW5f0(Int32)
   at maddox.objects.effects.ForceFeedback.x62dvA3NupTvFEUw7p9AUw6a2UU_GwtX_6BOJmFv0$UD(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.W4PoHpqEPh6sCwH_SvBfcsLKYxyFvVEILkmOnJeyy3Yb(Double)
   at qzyn6S1fnNdM1KCowEdjUpN8pMSp6s_V4DDSjCKf5BQ6.NdtVfBFOUo8sBpHhW4o0nPg(Double)
   at TNKkAcSuawGGAInhdCMgtVB1jZvc_joc87rBU8BjL6yN.vBp10yIv7$PiEY8l9wwBPME(Double)
   at 5VUIhZAfLLjlWb5rvC1y5Il_cwouhW5eZUX_AMML8alS+zHbrQdalUr$0FVVJ70h5H2O7SvcGFYB4EvDP6PMb3RJvqO3gSg71zWPFnl$OVlPSlQ.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at 4lFQrekintdZTkhMfDPtQkRUhCiE4wEk3Y$4KfiOXE3S.gT2xRAUYioNJspz1Vabv0$Q()
   at B3ik9i8vEcErjO61EnV5pr8xSg_fKyjgLBB2LLZAsCag.9pab1TQFb7TOkw5gQ3ntgHA()
   at iIer_m0niFeAfdO$W3iyIyiI$ngG4FHCF6MXe1TJ$JOb.RCg41tE05t0y9dUsvW1Y5dA(Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.s1J6D1WkYrSB0YrRqEzT6Lg(Boolean, Boolean)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.bh301Qde8FIoiT4wyRV9J$s(Double, Double)
   at xyxg72wf9bJ567Yz2522U8xGm17btCKoTb8ZxYKhp3sq.fJXDhLsKN6ayoknA3AcuyfM()
   at 29RjLSAReXEUSv0bsMmaiA9zVXLP0ym1LjCepgx5u8k7.WuROX084_l22L6Cx4AzEfnQ()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.pAIf0AEqmWcHUcu2It$ySZs()
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.O64GqHFa2fopqVi6EWi5LMNa6pj6LaV7rC9iPR5wvIfY()

Exception Info: System.Reflection.TargetInvocationException
   at System.RuntimeMethodHandle.InvokeMethod(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Signature, Boolean)
   at System.Reflection.RuntimeMethodInfo.UnsafeInvokeInternal(System.Object, System.Object[], System.Object[])
   at System.Delegate.DynamicInvokeImpl(System.Object[])
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.InvokeImpl()
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.RunInternal(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object, Boolean)
   at System.Threading.ExecutionContext.Run(System.Threading.ExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext.Run(MS.Internal.CulturePreservingExecutionContext, System.Threading.ContextCallback, System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherOperation.Invoke()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.ProcessQueue()
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.WndProcHook(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndWrapper.WndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr, Boolean ByRef)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.DispatcherCallbackOperation(System.Object)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.InternalRealCall(System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at System.Windows.Threading.ExceptionWrapper.TryCatchWhen(System.Object, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32, System.Delegate)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.LegacyInvokeImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherPriority, System.TimeSpan, System.Delegate, System.Object, Int32)
   at MS.Win32.HwndSubclass.SubclassWndProc(IntPtr, Int32, IntPtr, IntPtr)
   at MS.Win32.UnsafeNativeMethods.DispatchMessage(System.Windows.Interop.MSG ByRef)
   at System.Windows.Threading.Dispatcher.PushFrameImpl(System.Windows.Threading.DispatcherFrame)
   at AYB56PA7FbyE$$8MFI6r974O4H8hT6AeUdaoTWW4GX4D.4RbSSDv13n5tsTfRCBplbDw()
   at RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ.ccgEwiqz06skldTjEnhRh8k(RIBv6rZ4rWCEDrD_jR11yJglo$kmWoA8pzekY30BkcFZ, System.String[], System.String, System.String)
   at 9MJVJS0Op_RWoEUtjFFh0i6XF1D7pu8BBz_H2DLdBD4y.MYwNeGOD_3nnjet2W4J1Qjw(System.String[])
   at maddox.Launch.Program(System.String[])
   at Launcher.Program.Main(System.String[])

I'm going to try it next with FF completely disabled and see how that goes.

FYI as far as I know the only way to turn off FF in CloD is to simply remove the .FF files from parts/core/FF. Seems to work.

**TWC_Flug** · Feb-09-2020, 03:35

Originally Posted by ATAG_Torian

Yes it looks like a good story for a FF issue.
I haven't owned a FF stick for about 15 years as I found them to be more problematic than helpful.
It seems that support for FF devices with Microsoft's newer XInput (which supersedes DirectInput) is flakey at best...see here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DirectInput
Are FF sticks still being made ? If so then maybe a newer one may work better.

Lots of people still use the MS Sidewinder 2 as there is some feeling that (even now) it is in some sense still the "best" force feedback joystick.

The error here seems more related to a C# bug, though--something along the lines of "Object reference not set to an instance of an object"?