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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    He forgot to set the fuse to 14 days!

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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Snargle, where are you?
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    looks like footage of bouncing bomb tests of Dambusters fame, dose any one know for sure?, not included in Barnes Wallace movie for obvious reasons?
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Poor fellows must have had "sudden quick" or "point detonating" fuse on that one.
    In game, even a 1 second fuse over water is not enough of a delay to leave you undamaged if you don't pull up and away immediately.
    Even then you will be damaged.
    Over land, at 250 mph a 1 second fuse works gloriously in self defence mode.

    In 1 second, a Bloated Blennie doing 250 mph will travel more than 100 yards. Any bomb dropped does not slow from 250 mph to 0 at the first bounce on the ground.
    It is slowed enough however to allow the Bloated Blennie to escape whilst the 109 driver enjoys the consequences of his tailgating.

    Dropping the 250 lb bomb at 250 mph over water does not work so well. The Bloated Blennie Brigade has found that having a ship to shield you from the blast
    will work with 1 second fuses over water. Although wires and other superstructure on the ship can be a vexation of the spirit.

    Disposing of 109s over water requires other measures.
    Bloated Blennie Gangbangs have produced some promising results.
    Research and trials continue apace
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    I'm not sure the bomb exploded. I think it bounced and hit the tail.
    If I'm correct, what seems like an explosion is the splash from both the bomb and the tail hitting the water.

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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    I'm not sure the bomb exploded. I think it bounced and hit the tail.
    If I'm correct, what seems like an explosion is the splash from both the bomb and the tail hitting the water.
    Now you've done it.
    I've spent the last 10 minutes expanding the screen and advancing frame by frame as slowly as my mouse
    and caffeine addled finger allows.

    I thought I could see the empennage bent upward before it came off the plane.
    I may be hallucinating but it also appears that the splash or explosion briefly towered twice the height of the plane for a moment.
    Verrrry interesting
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Well, I think in this frame you can see the unexploded bomb/barrel:



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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    Well, I think in this frame you can see the unexploded bomb/barrel:



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    Yes indeed.
    It can be seen to catch up to the aircraft that dropped it. Pass upward through the empennage and over the height of the plane without slowing down at all.
    I think some extra energy over the initial momentum would be needed.
    In game, our 40 lb pipe bombs can be seen to scoot ahead of our Blennies when dropped on water as well.
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    That thing is most likely a highball bomb



    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bouncing_bomb#Highball

    In January 1945, at the Vickers experimental facility at Foxwarren, near Cobham, Surrey, a Douglas A-26 Invader of the USAAF was adapted to carry two Highballs almost completely enclosed in the bomb bay, using parts from a Mosquito conversion. After brief flight testing in the UK, the kit was sent to Wright Field, Ohio and installed in an A-26C Invader. Twenty-five inert Highballs, renamed "Speedee" bombs, were also sent for use in the USAAF trials. Drop tests were carried out over Choctawhatchee Bay near Eglin Field, Florida but the programme was abandoned, after the bomb bounced back at A-26C-25-DT Invader 43-22644 on Water Range 60, causing loss of the rear fuselage and a fatal crash on 28 April 1945.

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    Speaking of bouncy bombs.....this has been around awhile.
    The 50 BMG bullet (or fragment of) returns 180 degrees to knock him in the noggin'.
    To me it seemed to defy all logic and or physics.
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    http://napoleon130.tripod.com/id725.html

    USAF Douglas Invader with 'Highball / Speedee' bomb. This page describes these trials.

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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Quote Originally Posted by JackMaXX View Post
    looks like footage of bouncing bomb tests of Dambusters fame, dose any one know for sure?, not included in Barnes Wallace movie for obvious reasons?
    The weapon was, like its more famous cousin the Upkeep mine (the bouncing bomb), designed by Barnes Wallis primarily as a lighter anti shipping mine for the Navy to use aginst capital ships at anchor primarily. Its pupose was to skip over the torp nets, sink under the target and break its back with the effects of the blast pressure under water. Churchills obsession with the Tirpitz saw that it was developed but for the RAF and, ultimately it was another Wallis bomb the "Tallboy", along with improved bomb aiming from altitude that did for the Tirpitz.

    If you think this footage is hard to watch you should try the Highball inspired film "Mosquito Squadron" (not to be confused with 633 Squadron). The proposterous premise of the plot alone is enough to make you weep but the effects, even for a british film in the 60s are gobsmackingly naff.
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Snarglepuss View Post

    Speaking of bouncy bombs.....this has been around awhile.
    The 50 BMG bullet (or fragment of) returns 180 degrees to knock him in the noggin'.
    To me it seemed to defy all logic and or physics.
    This guy should buy a lottery ticket, what are the chances of at ricochet traveling directly back the initial firing vector? zero i would think? any Physicists out there please help
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Ive just completed a training couse on recognising and making firearms environments safe. Very limited and very much a "dont even try with da gun" kinda thing. Anyhow what i did learn is that the non bangy end is only marginally less dangerous than the bangy end and that the nasty bit that comes out of it has a mind of its own. Given all of this im really surprised they caught on TBH. Cant realy go wrong with a pointy stick.
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Quote Originally Posted by JackMaXX View Post
    This guy should buy a lottery ticket, what are the chances of at ricochet traveling directly back the initial firing vector? zero i would think? any Physicists out there please help
    Having placed my Cap Of Thinking firmly upon my poor bald pate...I offer to postulate the following postulation.

    1. Silly fellows place a steel target downrange from where they will shoot. The target is placed upon the ground or partially buried in it. There is a whistling whistley thingy on the ground or below it touching or close to
    the base of the steel target.

    2. Silly fellow shoots a .50 calibre, 750 grain bullet which travels downrange and strikes the steel target with great vigour like 50 calibre projectiles are known to do. I postulate it struck the upper portion of the steel
    target. I further postulate that there was unknown to the silly fellows an axis or pivot point around which the steel target could rotate. This axis was at right angles to the direction of the bullet travel.

    3. As the steel target was struck, the top portion was moved backward in the same direction as the bullet travelled whilst the bottom portion rotated forward around the axis or pivot point in the opposite direction of the
    bullet. The bottom portion of the steel target then contacted the whistling whistley thingy with sufficient force to launch it back toward the silly fellow, bouncing it off the ground in front of him before knocking off his
    hearing protection thingy.

    4. As we do not see the target in the video or know its qualities, I leave open to speculation that the whistling whistley thingy may have been a part of the steel target that was broken off the bottom portion of the target
    and launched 180 degrees to the path of the bullet which struck the target with such force and vigour.

    I concede my postulation does not stand if there was no axis or pivot point around which the target could have rotated. None are shown in the video. I merely submit this as an alternative to the possibility that the silly fellow was struck by his bullet or any fragment thereof.

    Addendum To The Above Postulation:
    I have found that when my alcohol consumption goes up,
    the size and comfortable fit of my Cap Of Thinking goes down.
    This too seems to defy all logic and physics.
    I submit its validity to any who may wish challenge or refute this.
    (I have on occasion discovered that my gaming headset is subject to an identical form of shrinkage.)
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    Re: Careful with skip bombing!

    Or there could have been a tear in the time\space continuum and a rabbit in an alternative universe, similarly armed with a Barrett 0.50 rifle, returned fire?
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