IL-2 Sturmovik: Desert Wings - TOBRUK Announcement

**IIJG27Rich** · Jul-02-2020, 19:42

Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas

Is it too late?

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I got tears man

**ATAG_Highseas** · Jul-02-2020, 19:44

Originally Posted by Bussard

On the title or the artwork?

Mainly the colouring in if im honest.

Although it was 2 days deciding on the right green.

Art isn't easy.

But it does bring joy to so many. That is why I give so freely of my craft.

**ATAG_Highseas** · Jul-02-2020, 19:58

Anyway... back to the main topic.

I liked the anouncement and I found that it gave a me a positive feeling.

To quote Lewis:

It's all about the fun !

Have fun guys !!

**ATAG_JackMaxx** · Jul-02-2020, 20:04

[QUOTE=Arthursmedley;356536]Surprised? Resigned would be more accurate. I merely point out the obvious. Unlike Colander, I hope the beta testers were a bunch of cynical old gits who went through it with a fine-tooth comb. Lets face it; there couldn't have been many of 'em.
I'd be surprised if Buzzsaw didn't feel the same. Make or break time is here.

I'm really looking forward to the patch 5.1.0

**Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders** · Jul-02-2020, 22:21

Once, in Italy, a beta tester wrapped in his thoughts, murmured this:

" The more I look at what you wrote, the more it reminds me the story of that loser who smoked a bunch of hashish and to whom, then, came a big headache.
Then he took an aspirin to heal the headache but this reacted with the drug and he got a big stomach ache .
Then he took a Maalox but the latter reacted with the aspirin and he got a great dysentery attack .
So then he took an Imodium pill, which alas, reacted with the Maalox, causing him to collapse on the ground.
At the hospital they made him a shot of Voltaren but this reacted with everything he has took previously and so he took an orchitis to his right testicle, which grew so much, but so much, that the last image we have of him is that of a big massive jerk "

**TheVino3** · Jul-02-2020, 23:40

Originally Posted by Arthursmedley

Surprised? Resigned would be more accurate. I merely point out the obvious. Unlike Colander, I hope the beta testers were a bunch of cynical old gits who went through it with a fine-tooth comb. Lets face it; there couldn't have been many of 'em.
I'd be surprised if Buzzsaw didn't feel the same. Make or break time is here.

As to the rest of your points - and those of others moaning about cross-forum reaction; get used to it. This is a commercial product.

What did Oscar Wilde say? "...something...something...one thing worse than being talked about something...something......"

I'm speaking personally here, but I don't think anyone in TFS or in the greater community expects that TFS should not receive healthy criticism or honest critique.

If someone is not going to buy Tobruk, they should feel free to say exactly why. If there are things that you don't like, you should feel free to say exactly what those are. Its healthy and allows a dev team to understand what peoples experiences are and how to move forward.

However, for the better part of a decade there has been a contingent of people that continually insinuate that TFS is incompetent, untrustworthy, and willfully ignoring the desires of the community to deliberately create an inferior product. That attitude is incomprehensible to me and most people in the community. Its deeply insulting to TFS members who have sacrificed literally thousands of hours of free time and family time in order to create a game that we want as many people as possible to enjoy.

TFS quite literally wants all of the exact same things that the community is asking for (VR, Dynamic Campaign, updated graphics, etc etc), but we have to balance the free time and resources of our members, which means theres only so much that can be done within a certain time-frame. If there is a feature or fix you want, we are almost certainly aware of it and want the exact same thing. I can not think of a single conceivable reason as to why we would "ignore the community" as is sometimes stated, aside from ignoring obviously impossible demands.

Tobruk being a commercial product doesn't mean that TFS has access to a fully staffed and funded development studio.

Honest criticism is fair and right, but trying to paint TFS as having ulterior motives is not warranted, not fair, and it gets the response it deserves.

(Not saying that you are insinuating that TFS has ulterior motives, but that the insinuation has been made many times over the years so people often get defensive.)

**Erpr.Gr.210_Mölders** · Jul-03-2020, 00:18

Originally Posted by Arthursmedley

Lets hope the beta testing was thorough and comprehensive, otherwise it's downward to oblivion this time round.

...I hope the beta testers were a bunch of cynical old gits who went through it with a fine-tooth comb. Lets face it; there couldn't have been many of 'em...

It's a real pity that when there was the chance to help TFS, by providing the own personal availability for the Beta Tester role, you were busy in Tanzania to straighten bananas.
Otherwise with your participation among us, a well known handful of poor little mortal human testers dressed with diapers only, I'm sure we could have reached levels of professionality and accuracy of which, currently, we can only dream of.
What a pity...What a great opportunity we missed...

**ATAG_Slot** · Jul-03-2020, 01:33

Fantastic news.
Looks worth the wait.
Thank you to everyone at TFS.

Can’t believe I have missed three days of this thread already!

**BOO** · Jul-03-2020, 03:43

Originally Posted by Arthursmedley

and those of others moaning about cross-forum reaction; get used to it. [/I]

Cross forum reaction is fine. But equally perhaps also get used to people in this or any other forum failing to understand how "Im not buying it without VR" is in anyway constructive (its a point for sure as is the lack of DCG at this time but its been noted acknowledged and responded to). The whole argument leans to we are cry-babys and they have a god given right to repeat the same statements ad nausium (but are not crybabys). They do have a right, but people in this forum have a right to vent their frustration too.

And there is some bull being posted too. Thats not critisism or discussion . Its Bull. Call it for what it is.

"2D screen and Hat Switch head views make me feel im flying in the 1990s"
"Writing code so that is still works on outdated PCs"
"Only listening to the few remaining players"
"TIR freaks out all the time (no mention of the VR problems that used to prevent half of my old crew even flying a full mission or the fact the whole VR thing in BOS until recently (or even now?) seemed to rely on a 3rd party program that the devs broke every update or for that matter the truth that a well set up TIR doesnt.)

So it cuts both ways. If they are entitled to their views, so are people who disagree. If they are entitled to vent so are those who disagree. If they want to vent in a forum where they know they will more likely get a positive reception or they feel more at home, fine. It takes all sorts. And if ATAG is an echo chamber then be it so but lets also be honest in acknowledging that the other forums are hardly paragons of pulse accurate reportage either.

**Topgum** · Jul-03-2020, 11:06

Well, very good and surprising news! Thank you for that, genious gorgerouse TF-nerds!

TG

**Artist** · Jul-03-2020, 11:51

Originally Posted by RedToo

What are the minimum requirements? Or to put it another way, will it run on Windows 7?

Cheers,

RedToo.

The minimum requirements state Windows 10. We cannot develop, test, and support an operating system that has been officially declared obsolete and that has not received any security updates since January 2020. The very real risks for us and the gamers forbid this.

That does not mean it absolutely won't run on Windows 7. But you do that on your own risk.

**IIJG27Rich** · Jul-03-2020, 12:10

Originally Posted by Artist

The minimum requirements state Windows 10. We cannot develop, test, and support an operating system that has been officially declared obsolete and that has not received any security updates since January 2020. The very real risks for us and the gamers forbid this.

That does not mean it absolutely won't run on Windows 7. But you do that on your own risk.

.

I'm still buzzing around with good old windows 7. I did purchase windows 10 and will buy some new crucial DDR3..24 gigs. I did buy a big hard drive also. Guess I'm just too lazy but I'll get it all up and running some day. I still have my old asus P6TD Deluxe first gen i7 975 from nine years ago and it just keeps going and doing great for the things I enjoy playing. I can see it having to be replaced soon though and I would have but.... The other thing came up

**Artist** · Jul-03-2020, 12:16

Originally Posted by IIJG27Rich

. I did buy a big hard drive also. Guess I'm just too lazy but I'll get it all up and running some day

If you also switch from Windows 7 on magnetic HDD to Windows 10 on a SSD, you'll have no loss of performance - maybe even a perceptible gain.

**RedToo** · Jul-03-2020, 12:35

Originally Posted by Artist

The minimum requirements state Windows 10. We cannot develop, test, and support an operating system that has been officially declared obsolete and that has not received any security updates since January 2020. The very real risks for us and the gamers forbid this.

That does not mean it absolutely won't run on Windows 7. But you do that on your own risk.

Thanks.

**Marcost** · Jul-03-2020, 13:31