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    Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    With the release of TF patch 5 I'm back to flying in Blitz. Now owning 2 Throttle quadrants, I'm focusing on the Beaufighter 1F which I'm enjoying immensely, but it's raising some questions for me.

    Question 1; I'm attempting to use the throttle slider on my T.16000m joystick for elevator trim, but it's proving to be hypersensitive. So much so that even minute adjustments result in a very noticeable movement of the flight yoke and it's proving next to impossible to set proper trim while cruising. I've noticed in Options > Controls > [Axis] that unlike the Elevator, Rudder and Aileron axis, there's no sensitivity slider for the trim axis - just deadzone min and deadzone max. So my question is, how do you change the sensitivity for a trim axis?

    Question 2 is about the Beaufighter's mixture control. I notice that the visual quadrant overlay shows a port and starboard mixture control and when those 2 are mapped to my throttle quadrant, they move on the overlay. However, there's only a single mixture lever in the Virtual Cockpit which advances opposite to the other levers and has extremes marked as "normal" (down position) and "weak" (up position.) I noticed when I moved either of the mixture levers on my throttle quadrant, they didn't move that single lever. So, I deleted my #1 and #2 mixture axis mappings and just made a single assignment of 1 quadrant lever to the default mixture. That's now causing that single mixture lever in the VC to move.
    My question is; with just the default mixture axis set to a single throttle quadrant lever, do I now have it set up correctly?
    Or I guess another way of wording it is; does the Beaufighter modeled in Blitz only have a single lever for both engines' mixture control?

    Question 3 is about the Boost Cut Out I've been reading about. There's a port (red) and starboard (green) cutout button on the back-left of the cockpit, but I can't find a button for BCO. I've noticed under Options > Control > [Key Mappings], that there's only a single item for BCO.
    So my question is, are those port & starboard cutout buttons the BCO, or is it another button located elsewhere in the VC?

    Any answers to those question would be much appreciated.
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Hi kronovan!

    To question 3:
    The two buttons back-left are the slow running cutouts. They are used to stop the engines after landing.

    The boost cutout to raise throttle limit to 110% is located on the dashboard on the right side, above the elevator trim. It's a little black button and there is a red lamp besides it. (You may have to raise your head a little and lean forward to find it.)

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    For trim you definitely need something with more resolution...either a multi-turn potentiometer, or a single-turn pot geared to give you less sensitivity. Many people use 10-turn pots, which are readily available, though I think that is overkill. That's just too many turns to get back to center when starting out. I prefer 3-5 turns. I've made one with an indicator that is just under 3 turns:

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerbread View Post
    Hi kronovan!

    To question 3:
    The two buttons back-left are the slow running cutouts. They are used to stop the engines after landing.

    The boost cutout to raise throttle limit to 110% is located on the dashboard on the right side, above the elevator trim. It's a little black button and there is a red lamp besides it. (You may have to raise your head a little and lean forward to find it.)
    Thanks for the reply. I have been pressing down those slow running cutout to stop engines, but somehow got the mixed-up idea that quick presses of them might enable a BCO effect. Thanks for pointing out where the BCO actually is. I do have it mapped to my throttle quadrant so I don't have to hunt for it in the heat of combat.
    Is it true that the boost from BCO is disengaged the moment a throttle lever is moved out of the 100% position?

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Kendy for the State View Post
    For trim you definitely need something with more resolution...either a multi-turn potentiometer, or a single-turn pot geared to give you less sensitivity. Many people use 10-turn pots, which are readily available, though I think that is overkill. That's just too many turns to get back to center when starting out. I prefer 3-5 turns. I've made one with an indicator that is just under 3 turns:

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    Thanks for replying - good info to know. I have 2 Saitek Pro Throttle Quadrants and I've been eyeing that trim wheel with a base that fits underneath them. I do a lot of GA bush piloting in FSX and X-Plane and for both function and realism it seems like a worthwhile investment. I'd buy one now, but I'm not in the USA where the manufacturer is located and have some concerns about supply and disruptions to shipping due to the pandemic. I'm using TrackIR and without the ability to alter trim sensitivity, for now I can just assign the trim elevator nose up and down to 2 positions on my joysticks HAT - already have rudder trim assigned to it.

    [Edit] I'm alternating between a career with the Petlyakov Pe2 in BoS and a campaign with the Beaufighter in Blitz. Considering the real-life Pe2 only had elevator trim switches and the BoS modeling doesn't support a HOTAS axis, this will actually make it work the same way in both sims. Sort of a a silver lining in a cloud - or is it 2 clouds.
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post

    Question 1; I'm attempting to use the throttle slider on my T.16000m joystick for elevator trim, but it's proving to be hypersensitive.
    T.16000M throttle slider axis, besides have a short course is a 8 bits (256 points resolution) axis, as is twist rudder axes, not good for trim.

    Get one of Kendy for the State devices.

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerbread View Post
    The boost cutout to raise throttle limit to 110% is located on the dashboard on the right side, above the elevator trim. It's a little black button and there is a red lamp besides it. (You may have to raise your head a little and lean forward to find it.)
    Something I've discovered after more flying with the Beau, is that try as I might the Boost Cut-out switch will not turn on. That's true whether I click the button I have mapped to my joystick or click the buttons in the cockpit - BCO switches always remains in the off position. In the case of the joystick, I believe it's because IL-2 CLOD Blitz only provides a single/uniform control to map to, whereas there's a separate BCO switch for each engine. Thus it probably needs mappable controls for Boost Cut-out #1 and Boost Cut-out #2 . As to the actual switches in the cockpit, I'm not sure why they don't turn-on when clicked - perhaps they were accidentally disabled in a patch.
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Is it true that the boost from BCO is disengaged the moment a throttle lever is moved out of the 100% position?
    Certain german planes had timing mechanisms to prevent engine damage from overusing WEP, other planes had the way you wrote.
    (You can find more exact info here on the forum with a little mining. I am no expert sadly...)

    On british planes the BCO stays on as long as it is activated. I don't know, how it was in real life, but in the sim it stays on. It just enables the 100-110% throttle range to be used also.

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Something I've discovered after more flying with the Beau, is that try as I might the Boost Cut-out switch will not turn on. That's true whether I click the button I have mapped to my joystick or click the buttons in the cockpit - BCO switches always remains in the off position. In the case of the joystick, I believe it's because IL-2 CLOD Blitz only provides a single/uniform control to map to, whereas there's a separate BCO switch for each engine. Thus it probably needs mappable controls for Boost Cut-out #1 and Boost Cut-out #2 . As to the actual switches in the cockpit, I'm not sure why they don't turn-on when clicked - perhaps they were accidentally disabled in a patch.
    That's weird... Before the Tobruk release it worked OK for the Beau and the Blenny too (and there is only one control for the BCO, no need for each engine), but I did not have the chance to try it out yet in the new release.

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Something I've discovered after more flying with the Beau, is that try as I might the Boost Cut-out switch will not turn on. That's true whether I click the button I have mapped to my joystick or click the buttons in the cockpit - BCO switches always remains in the off position. In the case of the joystick, I believe it's because IL-2 CLOD Blitz only provides a single/uniform control to map to, whereas there's a separate BCO switch for each engine. Thus it probably needs mappable controls for Boost Cut-out #1 and Boost Cut-out #2 . As to the actual switches in the cockpit, I'm not sure why they don't turn-on when clicked - perhaps they were accidentally disabled in a patch.
    Buzz post on IL2 forum. No BCO in the Beaufighter variants.

    https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic...comment=983307

    Daz
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerbread View Post
    That's weird... Before the Tobruk release it worked OK for the Beau and the Blenny too (and there is only one control for the BCO, no need for each engine), but I did not have the chance to try it out yet in the new release.
    Thanks for the reply. Did the the Beaufighter before TF 5.0 have only 1 BCO switch modeled in the cockpit? I ask, because there's definitely 2 switches now.

    [Edit] I'm wondering if any of you had a chance to ponder my 2nd mixture lever control question? As I said above, the graphic overlay for controls shows 2 mixture axis, but there's only 1 mixture lever modeled in the Beaufighter's cockpit.
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Just confirmrd it offline, currently no BCO functioning in the Beaufighter variants.

    Daz
    Thanks for checking and confirming that. At least now I feel like I'm not going crazy. Although the surviving AI Bleni pilots that all crash landed after my last escort mission, made me feel like I was taking crazy pills.

    [Edit] With BCO not being available in the early Beaufighter 1F, it would be nice if those 2 BCO switches weren't present in the cockpit. I'm guessing though, that with the later 1F using the same model in Blitz, it would be more work than it sounds or not even possible.

    If I purchased the Tobruk DLC, would it be possible to use 1 of the later Beaufighters in that Blitz Beaufighter East campaign?
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    T.16000M throttle slider axis, besides have a short course is a 8 bits (256 points resolution) axis, as is twist rudder axes, not good for trim.

    Get one of Kendy for the State devices.
    Thanks for the info. That makes sense, although I have been able to get the slider axis to work satisfactorily for elevator trim in FSX and X-Plane 11. Now that I think of it though, X-Plane 11 has tweakable sensitivity for all axis and I use FSUIPC for FSX, which in terms of controller inputs allows you to tweak everything imaginable. A trim wheel is definitely on my shopping list. With no manufacturers of such a device or distributors with stock in my country though, I've been waiting for the pandemic to lessen a bit more before I buy - already made the mistake of recently ordering a CH Products throttle quadrant which never arrived, but was refunded.

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Thanks for the reply. Did the the Beaufighter before TF 5.0 have only 1 BCO switch modeled in the cockpit? I ask, because there's definitely 2 switches now.
    Can't say I ever noticed if there were 1 or 2 before. Not likely going to the trouble of including a 2nd switch in the model and then disabling the action.

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Question 3 is about the Boost Cut Out I've been reading about.
    Beaufighter Mk.I-F use 87 octanes fuel, so don't have BCO, what require use 100 octanes fuel.

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    However, there's only a single mixture lever in the Virtual Cockpit which advances opposite to the other levers and has extremes marked as "normal" (down position) and "weak" (up position.)
    What you call "Virtual cockpit" is the no cockpit view (Ctrl+F1) aka "WWV" (Wonder Woman View)?

    If yes, this is just a generic gamey cockpit for casual players, don't reflect actual instruments/operation.

    Now if is the sliders in Engine Controls Info Windows, this too don't reflect plane cockpit 100%, but use a generic template for all planes, why in British twin engines planes with just one mixture lever (Blenheim, Beaufighter) you see 2 sliders in this Info Windows, moving synchronized. And for Beaufighter sliders don't reflect Mixture adjusts(weak, norm), a bug. Anyway, British planes don't require mixture adjust, the only reason for do this adjust is save fuel, but since is not possible bomb Cologne, no reason for bother.

    Beaufighter (and Blenheim) just have one mixture lever in cockpit, adjust both engines simultaneous, see at left the small lever with black knob, left of engine throttle knobs (red and green).

    BTW - FOr CloD, this is Virtual Cockpit, that you can see in a second monitor.

    Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Is it true that the boost from BCO is disengaged the moment a throttle lever is moved out of the 100% position?
    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerbread View Post
    On british planes the BCO stays on as long as it is activated. I don't know, how it was in real life, but in the sim it stays on. It just enables the 100-110% throttle range to be used also.
    What engage Boost in British planes is not press the key/button that say on HUD "Boost Cut Out:ON" - this command just mean that Cut Out (red lever in Spitfire throttle quadrant, turn the "tilt"in hurricane) who prevents use boost is out. But... "Boost Cut Out:OFF" physically move throttle back for 100%, at least in Spitfire this is correct, since IRL move back the "red lever" require move back the throttle lever.

    Cut Out is just a safety mechanical device for prevents use Boost.

    What engage Boost is move throttle past 100% (why you need move you joystick throttle back and forth if he already are in 100% of course), don't know if reflect IRL operation (technical documentation of BCO operation is ver complicated) but how is in CloD.

    BTW - Players with throttle that have "detent" for afternburner, can adjust the in game throttle axis ("100% position slider") for reflect this IRL operation, without need do the back and forth movement.

    This Spitfire throttle (Mk.IX) replica have the detent (a ball plunger) in correct position, requiring that pilot force lever for left for bypass the detent and engage boost, why the throttle rail is this vintage planes are in ~"Z".

    As curiosity, in IL-2 GB engage "boost" in German fighters don't require a "gamey" key press, but just move throttle past a certain range, like IRL 109. But as a "perfect world" don't exist in IL-2 BG Spitfire "boost" require a "gamey" key press (ON/OFF) like IL-2:46).
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Thrustmaster TARGET Script Editor software permits programming the throttle to make a "Keypress" at any selected point of throttle travel. My Spitfire engages and disengages BCO at the gate using this script:

    KeyAxis(&Throttle, THR_LEFT, 'IOUMD', //Boost cutout override toggle at Left Throttle gate. Zones added 20200628.
    AXMAP2(
    49,
    0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, PULSE+L_SHIFT+'1', 0
    ));

    [PULSE+L_SHIFT+'1'] is my chosen keypress for BCO toggle. The "Zones added comment is a fine adjustment to my ancient Warthog throttle.
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Beaufighter Mk.I-F use 87 octanes fuel, so don't have BCO, what require use 100 octanes fuel.



    What you call "Virtual cockpit" is the no cockpit view (Ctrl+F1) aka "WWV" (Wonder Woman View)?

    If yes, this is just a generic gamey cockpit for casual players, don't reflect actual instruments/operation.

    Now if is the sliders in Engine Controls Info Windows, this too don't reflect plane cockpit 100%, but use a generic template for all planes, why in British twin engines planes with just one mixture lever (Blenheim, Beaufighter) you see 2 sliders in this Info Windows, moving synchronized. And for Beaufighter sliders don't reflect Mixture adjusts(weak, norm), a bug. Anyway, British planes don't require mixture adjust, the only reason for do this adjust is save fuel, but since is not possible bomb Cologne, no reason for bother.

    Beaufighter (and Blenheim) just have one mixture lever in cockpit, adjust both engines simultaneous, see at left the small lever with black knob, left of engine throttle knobs (red and green).

    BTW - FOr CloD, this is Virtual Cockpit, that you can see in a second monitor.





    What engage Boost in British planes is not press the key/button that say on HUD "Boost Cut Out:ON" - this command just mean that Cut Out (red lever in Spitfire throttle quadrant, turn the "tilt"in hurricane) who prevents use boost is out. But... "Boost Cut Out:OFF" physically move throttle back for 100%, at least in Spitfire this is correct, since IRL move back the "red lever" require move back the throttle lever.

    Cut Out is just a safety mechanical device for prevents use Boost.

    What engage Boost is move throttle past 100% (why you need move you joystick throttle back and forth if he already are in 100% of course), don't know if reflect IRL operation (technical documentation of BCO operation is ver complicated) but how is in CloD.

    BTW - Players with throttle that have "detent" for afternburner, can adjust the in game throttle axis ("100% position slider") for reflect this IRL operation, without need do the back and forth movement.

    This Spitfire throttle (Mk.IX) replica have the detent (a ball plunger) in correct position, requiring that pilot force lever for left for bypass the detent and engage boost, why the throttle rail is this vintage planes are in ~"Z".

    As curiosity, in IL-2 GB engage "boost" in German fighters don't require a "gamey" key press, but just move throttle past a certain range, like IRL 109. But as a "perfect world" don't exist in IL-2 BG Spitfire "boost" require a "gamey" key press (ON/OFF) like IL-2:46).
    Thanks for all that info 1lokos. I particularly appreciate your confirmation that the Beaufighter only has 1 mixture axis - and the Blenheim if I choose to fly it.
    Yes, I was indeed meaning the Internal view, not the virtual cockpit view. My 2 Saitek Pro Throttle quadrants do have detents, but unfortunately they're located at the bottom of the levers and are actually just switches - equivalent to a button press. I can see from your comments that I did have the correct idea of how BCO would be engaged. My question now is which variants of the Beaufighter are Octane 100 and have BCO? I know from my flight experiences, that the Beaufighter Mk IF that's included with Blitz isn't Octane 100 with BCO, but what about the later Beaufighter Mk 1F and Beaufighter Mk 1C in Tobruk?
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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Baffin View Post
    Thrustmaster TARGET Script Editor software permits programming the throttle to make a "Keypress" at any selected point of throttle travel. My Spitfire engages and disengages BCO at the gate using this script:

    KeyAxis(&Throttle, THR_LEFT, 'IOUMD', //Boost cutout override toggle at Left Throttle gate. Zones added 20200628.
    AXMAP2(
    49,
    0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, PULSE+L_SHIFT+'1', 0
    ));

    [PULSE+L_SHIFT+'1'] is my chosen keypress for BCO toggle. The "Zones added comment is a fine adjustment to my ancient Warthog throttle.
    Interesting - thanks for the example Baffin. My Thrustmaster T16000m is still quite new to me and I haven't explored the TARGET scripting yet. I haven't got a clue what the Pulse in your [Pulse+L_Shift+'1'] key combo is. Is that something on the TARGET scripting side, or the IL-2 CLOD side? How is the TARGET Scripting in terms of responsiveness? I ask, because I usually shy away from HOTAS solutions that place an util or scripting engine between it and the flight sim. Unless it's something like FSUIPC that's specifically built to interface directly with a single flight sim. The only HOTAS-related app I'm running is the Synpase util, which sits between my Tartarus gaming keypad and whatever flight sim I'm running - it's defiitnely far from bullet proof and occasionally causes me some minor grief.

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Buzz post on IL2 forum. No BCO in the Beaufighter variants.

    https://forum.il2sturmovik.com/topic...comment=983307

    Daz
    Wow! Thank's! I'm not on that forum, so good to know!


    Quote Originally Posted by dazza View Post
    Can't say I ever noticed if there were 1 or 2 before. Not likely going to the trouble of including a 2nd switch in the model and then disabling the action.

    Daz
    Yep. I checked it today and there really is two swiches now, and I don't remember either how many was before, but the important thing is, that there souldn't be any now.



    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Beaufighter Mk.I-F use 87 octanes fuel, so don't have BCO, what require use 100 octanes fuel.

    What engage Boost in British planes is not press the key/button that say on HUD "Boost Cut Out:ON" - this command just mean that Cut Out (red lever in Spitfire throttle quadrant, turn the "tilt"in hurricane) who prevents use boost is out. But... "Boost Cut Out:OFF" physically move throttle back for 100%, at least in Spitfire this is correct, since IRL move back the "red lever" require move back the throttle lever.

    Cut Out is just a safety mechanical device for prevents use Boost.

    What engage Boost is move throttle past 100% (why you need move you joystick throttle back and forth if he already are in 100% of course), don't know if reflect IRL operation (technical documentation of BCO operation is ver complicated) but how is in CloD.
    I stand corrected. True, I don't really fly spitfires or huricanes, so "british planes" was not a correct term.
    But in the Blenny BCO is really a big lever, and pre 5.0 the Beau had a switch. (Altough I don't know, how do they work in real life...)
    Anyway, thank you for the info!

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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gingerbread View Post
    ... and pre 5.0 the Beau had a switch. (Altough I don't know, how do they work in real life...)
    You are right, I give a look in Virtual Cockpit interface I made for Beaufighter when was included in game, and there I include a switch for BCO (labeled Boost), and I don't include non-functional features in VC.

    https://s14.postimg.cc/5vl5atsdd/Beau_VC.jpg

    The BCO switches still in cockpit in 5.0, have pop-up label, but is not clickable, don't remember if in 4.50 was, neither how was the operation, if extra boost depends on throttle position or not.

    In Blenheim extra boost depends on move throttle pass 100% (to 1110%), what of course requires move BCO lever down first, check this now. Move BCO lever up move throttle back to 100%.


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    Re: Few Questions: Trim Axis Sensitivities, Beaufighter Mixture & Boost Cut Out?

    Quote Originally Posted by kronovan View Post
    Interesting - thanks for the example Baffin. My Thrustmaster T16000m is still quite new to me and I haven't explored the TARGET scripting yet. I haven't got a clue what the Pulse in your [Pulse+L_Shift+'1'] key combo is. Is that something on the TARGET scripting side, or the IL-2 CLOD side? How is the TARGET Scripting in terms of responsiveness? I ask, because I usually shy away from HOTAS solutions that place an util or scripting engine between it and the flight sim. Unless it's something like FSUIPC that's specifically built to interface directly with a single flight sim. The only HOTAS-related app I'm running is the Synpase util, which sits between my Tartarus gaming keypad and whatever flight sim I'm running - it's defiitnely far from bullet proof and occasionally causes me some minor grief.
    TARGET Script Editor (SE) works all by itself to emulate keypresses or even "Pure Script" upon any program/simulator/application you have assigned it to. If TARGET SE is anything, it's user UNfriendly. Put yourself into Technology 101 mode, download and read the TARGET SE manual from the beginning to unlock a storehouse of useful scripting guidance. FYI "PULSE" is a basic feature that permits the user to hold down a keypress, or activate a keypress with a controller input, and only get one keypress, no matter how long you hold it. (Prevents inadvertant repeats).

    I have no formal programming/technology training, so if I can figure it out, you can too. Stick to the examples in the manual and it will start to make sense after six or seven years (Kidding!). It's sort of a labor of love if you treat it like a hobby.

    Find your downloads at: https://support.thrustmaster.com/en/product/t16000m-en/
    Last edited by Baffin; Aug-13-2020 at 12:58. Reason: URL added for SE manual.
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