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    Wellington from Within.

    Nice view of the Wellington's geodetic structure. This sim has come on a long way recently.
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Non-geodetic Heinkel from within. When I start a mission, I find myself taking so many screenshots!

    This sim is superb and has become even better 20201130194238_1.jpg

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    'Wimpey' Bomb Aimer in his compartment.



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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    View of another Wellington from the rear gunner's position.shot_20210215_124743.jpg

    Flak.

    Vickers Wellington Mk1c. OJ-F P2517 'F for Freddie' of No.149 Squadron, star of 'Target for Tonight' directed by Harry Watt released in July 1941.

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Those are fascinating interior shots, Vamps. I didn’t realize that we actually had camera views of these positions!


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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Snapper View Post
    Those are fascinating interior shots, Vamps. I didn’t realize that we actually had camera views of these positions!
    Hello Snapper!

    The interior screenshots are something that takes some time and error. No camera views I am afraid.

    I do them in the FMB and you must have another 'Object' nearby to get such shots. That is how I do them anyway.

    Like you I find such things fascinating and the depth of detail in the sim never fails to surprise me.

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    At some point we hope to improve the crew member faces.

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    At some point we hope to improve the crew member faces.
    Now that's a fascinating idea, Buzz! Endless possibilities....we could all send you a portrait photo of our faces so the aircraft could be crewed by real people........ ATAGERS! Us!

    Mind you, I ain't flying in any Wellington with Highseas at the controls!!!!!! Salute!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    At some point we hope to improve the crew member faces.
    I think they have been improved scince the original version of Clod was resleased, but I'm not certain.
    Actually I was just thinking they looked better now.
    Maybe our tailor, armour skinner and hidden-layer author will comment.
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    we could all send you a portrait photo of our faces so the aircraft could be crewed by real people........ ATAGERS! Us!

    yeah - but they are supposed to be fresh faced looking 18 years old. when most of us wuz 18, cameras needed a film and a computer had cogs in it

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Marlow View Post

    Now that's a fascinating idea, Buzz! Endless possibilities....we could all send you a portrait photo of our faces so the aircraft could be crewed by real people....

    That was possible in Forgotten Battles / 1946.

    Unfortunately this is the only available picture of myself flying a Bf109 (in Forgotten Battles):

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Marlow View Post
    Now that's a fascinating idea, Buzz! Endless possibilities....we could all send you a portrait photo of our faces so the aircraft could be crewed by real people........ ATAGERS! Us!

    Mind you, I ain't flying in any Wellington with Highseas at the controls!!!!!! Salute!
    Unfortunately if they did that Marlow they would have to rename the sim to something like "Cliffs of Wolfenstein" or "Wings of Doom"!

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Vampire View Post
    Unfortunately if they did that Marlow they would have to rename the sim to something like "Cliffs of Wolfenstein" or "Wings of Doom"!

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    Or Dad's Airforce,or has that already been done also for the sake of realism, the modeling of pilots age,stature, and weight would have to be considered. For example, what impact would an old, fat,shotsighted pilot have on the spitfire flight model.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_JackMaxx View Post
    Or Dad's Airforce,or has that already been done also for the sake of realism, the modeling of pilots age,stature, and weight would have to be considered. For example, what impact would an old, fat,shotsighted pilot have on the spitfire flight model.
    Er....many good points made, Chaps!

    Buzz....another good idea 'gone west!' Salute!
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Yea i will be over max take off weight so will not be able to take any bombs.

    I am way too short sighted (-8) to qualify for aircrew so maybe the radio operator position would be my only option?

    Add a few drinks and nibbles on the table and it would be a "fun" position to occupy for two hours there and back.
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    All nice shots.... everyone has a good view outside.....I just wish the plane designers had given the bomb aimer a better forward facing view...
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by TWC_Birdtail View Post
    All nice shots.... everyone has a good view outside.....I just wish the plane designers had given the bomb aimer a better forward facing view...
    I agree with you there. I try to establish reference sight-lines between the front gunner and bombardier positions before ultimately going to bombsight, but with the 6 deg of freedom head position erratically bouncing off invisible walls it's practically impossible to establish a consistent relative line of sight between the 2 positions. Then the flight time / distance between losing target contact in the front gun, and then reacquiring it in the bombsite can have you stray off target at high altitude. Adjustments made in the last seconds drops wide of the release point. Not complaining, our Welly is a fab achievement. But it is a challenge to use it effectively.

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    The view from the bomber's position is better when you are up at the normal high level bombing altitude, over 15,000ft. You can see your target on the ground earlier and can make effective course adjustments.

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_JackMaxx View Post
    Or Dad's Airforce,or has that already been done also for the sake of realism, the modeling of pilots age,stature, and weight would have to be considered. For example, what impact would an old, fat,shotsighted pilot have on the spitfire flight model.
    Heh! A few days ago I received my military records from Canada Library and Archives (requested last Sept, just arrived now! LOL ). To my great shock I saw that in 1969 I was 5’11” and 140 lbs. Today I’m 5’10” (how’d THAT happen? ) and, well, nevermind my weight - suffice to say it’s somewhat more.

    All to say, I’ve noticed all the photos of wartime pilots show them all to range from slim to downright skinny. I would need a pail of lard and two shoehorns to squeeze into a Spit cockpit. A Welly would fit me much better these days.



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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Oskar View Post
    The view from the bomber's position is better when you are up at the normal high level bombing altitude, over 15,000ft. You can see your target on the ground earlier and can make effective course adjustments.
    Is there a way to have some sort of "marks" on the turret to identify its center position facing forward?

    When looking through the front gunner, any slight tilt of the turret to the left or right changes the perceived position of the target to the opposite direction (i.e. if the turret is tilted to the left, the target will appear to the right, and vice versa).

    If there was an indicator of the way the turret position is facing (like a dial or more simply paint marks to be aligned on the rotating and fixed parts) , or ideally a bound key to center the turret one could better align to target from a distance...
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    At some point we hope to improve the crew member faces.
    sry, too late.. badface.jpg

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Noofy View Post
    Is there a way to have some sort of "marks" on the turret to identify its center position facing forward?

    When looking through the front gunner, any slight tilt of the turret to the left or right changes the perceived position of the target to the opposite direction (i.e. if the turret is tilted to the left, the target will appear to the right, and vice versa).

    If there was an indicator of the way the turret position is facing (like a dial or more simply paint marks to be aligned on the rotating and fixed parts) , or ideally a bound key to center the turret one could better align to target from a distance...
    Over the ground I'm adjusting turret heading by observing drift of the ground objects (trees, buildings, crossroads etc.) and trying to eliminate that drift.

    But ideally it will be great if TFS removes the head movement limitations! Or at least make it bigger for some bombardiers positions. In Wellington it's as if the head is glued to the body without the neck.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Noofy View Post
    Is there a way to have some sort of "marks" on the turret to identify its center position facing forward?
    Presently I use this black triangle of fuselage seen through the turret window as reference. If it's bigger then the turret is turned too far right, if it can't be seen the turret is too far left. Something like simple chalk lines would be a huge help and save valuable time.
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    For ground taxi and long distance target spotting elevate the guns fully for the most unobstructed view through the upper and lower panels. Nearer the target depress the guns to keep tracking it for as long as possible. And following the smoke trails from tracer fire is a great tool for sighting. If the trails go directly under then the turret is straight. If not then it's off angle or the plane is side slipping. Once I have the turret straight I disable control to avoid accidentally moving it.

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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostic View Post
    Over the ground I'm adjusting turret heading by observing drift of the ground objects (trees, buildings, crossroads etc.) and trying to eliminate that drift.
    Yes, from the bombardier seat and through the gunsight, but how can you do it from the turret? You point the gunsight down and aim at something? Doable but time consuming... And how would you compensate for wind drift? A mark to align turret or a bound key to center it would be ideal.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostic View Post
    But ideally it will be great if TFS removes the head movement limitations! Or at least make it bigger for some bombardiers positions. In Wellington it's as if the head is glued to the body without the neck.
    Absolutely
    Also when opening the side window or flying a plane with no hud (CR.42, G.50, Tiger Moth, ...) you should be able to lean your head out to better see forward for example when taxiing. Any plane that with a hud open actually...
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Noofy View Post
    Yes, from the bombardier seat and through the gunsight, but how can you do it from the turret? You point the gunsight down and aim at something? Doable but time consuming... And how would you compensate for wind drift?
    Yes, I'm pointing the gunsight down and aim at something. When object goes strict from up to bottom turret is lined up with your aircrafts course (not heading), so it is already compensate wind drift
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    Re: Wellington from Within.

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostic View Post
    Yes, I'm pointing the gunsight down and aim at something. When object goes strict from up to bottom turret is lined up with your aircrafts course (not heading), so it is already compensate wind drift
    Hum, yep, that makes sense.
    So you do not need the turret to be centered 100%. Just adjust with autopilot corrections, confirm?
    I will have to test to fully understand how it works... Thanks for your insight
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