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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    Quote Originally Posted by Kendy for the State View Post
    Thanks for the glowing review, Snapper!
    I see you have a CH quadrant on the desk too...have you taken a look at my deskmount Quadrant controller (QQ4)? Like the QT3 Trim module, it also comes with switches or encoders, and has adjustable length levers.

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    re review: my pleasure - definitely having fun putting this unit through its paces. It’s very robust, you make good stuff.

    This QQ4 Quadrant controller is worth a look. I’ve been flying multi-engined a/c of late which is quite a departure from my beloved Spitfires. My CH Quadrant has done yeoman service, but after many years it’s getting a bit worse for wear…one of the switches has died, and a couple of the axis are getting a little spiky.

    Recently I’ve added the DCS Mosquito to my collection and I’m dying to try OBOE. I’ve not had an opportunity to get into it yet, but I think some missions are out there now featuring OBOE. Your QQ4 might be very handy for this…..



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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    Almost ready to release an early version of the Cessna controller.

    The 172 will have just Throttle, Mixture, Flaps, and optional Elevator trim wheel. Also optional will be the desk mount clamp. It will come with a mounting plate that can be mounted to either the top or the bottom surface of a desk. Trim wheel can be moved to the top of the unit for top surface mounting.

    Just fiddling with the print settings to get all the parts to fit properly.

    Circuit has been built and firmware written...just have to get some PCBs on order.

    I expect to start making these available by the end of the month. Continuing to work on the 177 model, which will have Throttle, Pitch, Mixture, Flaps, and Rudder and Elevator trim.


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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    PCBs arrived the other day, so today I built some up and programmed...works like a charm! Starting to assemble some complete units and make available on my Etsy site.

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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    If anyone is interested in the process, here are a few photos of SMD circuit boards in production:

    Here's a PCB ready to be stenciled with solder paste:

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    Ready to assemble:

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    Manual pick & place:

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    Ready for the reflow oven:

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    Visual Inspection:

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    Through-hole parts soldered on, and ready for programming and test:

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    Assembled onto a trim unit:

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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    "Reflow oven" that's cheating, they should be handmade!!

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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    If possible, please post a picture(s) of the internals of my trim box. I must see what is in that box!
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    Re: Prototypes for some new products

    So, Kendy saw my enthusiastic review/endorsement of his QT3 deskmount trim controller ( https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.c...l=1#post377608 ) and asked if I'd be interested in evaluating a sister product - the QQ4 deskmount throttle quadrant. He had noticed that I have a CH Quadrant and thought it'd be of interest for a comparison. As my CH Quadrant is starting to show its age after a decade of giving yeoman service, I readily agreed. I opted for the QQ4 with the four encoder switches (vs the toggle on/off switches). Within two weeks it was at my door!

    As others including myself have found, Gear Falcon packs their products well. Literally a box-in-a-box with bubble wrap in between.



    Along with the quadrant body a small plastic bag is included. The contents are impressive: three sets of lever shafts (short x 4, medium x 4, long x 4), 5 lever knobs x 2 in red, yellow, blue, black, and gray. There is also a small Allen key for the lever tension screws, plus a spare plastic clamp head for the deskmount.



    Set up: very straightforward. The quadrant body clamps on your desk/table top. The lever arms snap into each slot of the throttle mechanism. The knobs snap into the opposite end of the lever arms. I chose the long lever arms and the black & gray knobs. Nice to have a choice. The sturdy USB cord (~ 2 meters long) plugs into an available USB port (I use a powered USB hub for my peripherals) and you're good to go!

    A quick check with the Windows USB Game Controller utility showed all 4 lever axis with full max/min response; the 4 encoders showed proper joystick button response in this utility for both twist each way (left and right), plus push button response for each as well.



    As with the QT3 Trim Controller, the QQ4 Throttle Quadrant deskmount body has a nifty flat area on top. Just perfect to place an index card upon with the encoder assignments for easy reference. For both controllers, I hit upon fitting an elastic band around each just before mounting on the desk - a real high tech method to hold the index cards from falling off at the worst possible moment! LOL On Mrs Snapper's suggestion, I made a very simple template in Excel which gives a far better (ie easier to read ) presentation.

    Here's a close up:


    The blank Excel template can be downloaded here: https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.c...downloadid=253

    I've had a chance to try this QQ4 deskmount Throttle Quadrant in Cliff of Dover Tobruk (Wellington 1c Trop), DCS (Mosquito VI), and BoX (P38). All were easy to set up for Axis assignments as well as the encoders.

    Some comments: the Gear Falcon QQ4 deskmount Throttle Quadrant compares very well to the CH Throttle Quadrant. The GF has 4 lever axis, the CH has 6. Both are deskmounts, both operate very well. The CH levers are very short (matched by the GF short levers). The CH lever knobs are also changeable, although IIRC there are only two other colours offered as two pairs of knobs. The GF comes with 4 encoders (or 4 on/off toggle switches). The CH comes with 6 on/off switches. To each their own; I personally find the encoder switches to be extremely handy on the bombers for easily handling Fixed Loop Radio Compass frequency and antenna angle adjustments, bombsight airspeed and altitude adjustments, auto pilot left/right adjustments ...... plus there are the push button controls as well. Your mileage and preference may vary.

    As with the Gear Falcon QT3 Trim Controller, the QQ4 Throttle Quadrant is built very sturdy. So is the CH Quadrant. One of the CH Quadrant on/off switches died on me recently, but I've had this unit for at least 10 years.

    A word to the wise: the QQ4 levers are fairly stiff out of the box. A half-turn counterclockwise on each tensioner screw really smooths them out. But....DON'T DO WHAT I DID! Earlier today I figured that if a little bit of loosening is good, then a LOT of loosening is even better. WRONGO, Snapper!!!! I loosened the tensioner screw out of its retaining nut deep within the deskmount body. I actually heard the tiny retaining nut fall free inside. Worse yet, the lever lost engagement with the gear mechanism that turns the potentiometer inside - the lever moved up and down freely, but no longer turned the potentiometer! Arrgh! Now for the good news - I fixed it. Working slowly and methodically, I carefully opened the body of the unit - noting how the body casing halves fitted together and the innerds (scientific terminology) attached within. A goodly number of screws, but I got to see first hand: this thing is built like a tank! I checked the adjacent lever to see how the gearing was aligned (there was a small groove in the internal gear that marked where the lever body must be re-engaged at its halfway ie (50% throwpoint), then tighten everything up and reassemble. I was sweating all through this ("Hey, Kendy - that unit you sent me? I just broke it!"), but slow and steady wins the race. Actually, I'm impressed - this thing came through my hamfisted handling like a pro with flying colours. Like I said, I got to see its innerds and it's indeed built like a freakin' tank.


    So, here it is in my ever-evolving virtual cockpit. I'm lovin' it!





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