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    IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Greetings pilots! A new update is available on STEAM:

    *** New free campaign "Their Finest Hour" added to Blitz. [Cybermat47]

    *** Improved far target visibility for screen resolutions of 2560x1440, 4k, and beyond [Artist]
    Also see: Contact Spotting

    *** Fixed: Shaking aircraft ForceFeedback effects resulting from firing cannons are not added on top of cannon's own ForceFeedback effects anymore. [Artist]
    https://www.tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/761

    *** New option to toggle all ingame info windows on/off (Options, Control, Chat) [Artist]
    https://www.tfbt.nuvturais.de/issues/1271
    This will hide or show all the info windows that you have configured (also hide the Net Stats if shown). Note 1: If you have used this to hide all windows and then use Send Message, Toggle Net Stats or Flash Net Stats, this will unhide all windows, too. Note 2: The current status will be remembered until you exit the game, but not beyond.

    *** A barrage balloon at Dover that caused crashes has been removed from the single missions A Busy Morning, Attack of the Eagles, Attack of the Kiwi, August Attrition, Corpo Aereo Italiano, and The Kanalkampf. [Cybermat47]
    Please note that when Single Missions are updated by TFS it is not automatic that you will see the updated missions in your game immediately. This is because TFS will *never* delete any files that are in your "\Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover" folder! To get the updated Single Missions you must delete the existing missions in "\Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\missions\Single" while the game is not running. Next time you start the game the updated Single Missions will be copied from the game's installation folder (...\Steam\steamapps\...) into "\Documents\1C SoftClub\il-2 sturmovik cliffs of dover\missions\Single" where you can play them.

    *** Fixed: Mirror does not retain already subsided vibration/shake (when Difficulty "Head Shake" is disabled) anymore. [Artist]

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    visibility is now great, 1440p but, if you don't zoom, planes looks like a weird version of arkanoid game, you can't tell what they are doing =s

    if you roll the shape of the planes changes from flat to plus sign

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    and ffb feels weak, notice that hurricane looses ffb if you are in negative g and shooting
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Not sure if this a bug or not, but toggle infowindows button not working when mouse cursor hidden by "toggle independent mode"(camera section) action. By the way "send message" button also not working in this mode (and it always was all the time since I started playing Cliffs 4.312).

    Maybe buttons that should interact with infowindows should "toggle independent mode" (camera section)?
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Rostic View Post
    Not sure if this a bug or not, but toggle infowindows button not working when mouse cursor hidden by "toggle independent mode"(camera section) action. By the way "send message" button also not working in this mode (and it always was all the time since I started playing Cliffs 4.312).
    Maybe buttons that should interact with infowindows should "toggle independent mode" (camera section)?
    Yes, the new "Toggle Info Windows" hotkey - just like the old "Send Message" hotkey - does not trigger when the mouse is switched to control the view ("Toggle Independent Mode"). To change that is another story for another time.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Lorena View Post
    visibility is now great, 1440p but, if you don't zoom, planes looks like a weird version of arkanoid game, you can't tell what they are doing =s
    if you roll the shape of the planes changes from flat to plus sign
    It was always thus - but now having increased visibility, that effect is more noticeable...

    Question: That screenshot, single player or multiplayer, if the latter which server. In both cases, activate console and type the mp_dotrange command, post the values here.
    (detailed instructions in the linked Contact Spotting, just use mp_dotrange with out any parameters)

    and ffb feels weak, notice that hurricane looses ffb if you are in negative g and shooting
    There were no additional changes beyond removing autocannon's shake from the total force feedback

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Nice job can't wait to check the new dots visibility and options. Keep up the good work!
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Danm, improved spotting at higher resolutions, what am I going to moan about now...don't worry I'll think of something

    Thanks TFS
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Artist View Post
    It was always thus - but now having increased visibility, that effect is more noticeable...

    Question: That screenshot, single player or multiplayer, if the latter which server. In both cases, activate console and type the mp_dotrange command, post the values here.
    (detailed instructions in the linked Contact Spotting, just use mp_dotrange with out any parameters)
    I just flew on TWC server and could spot contacts flying over England all the way from France. Pretty sure that that is not intended.
    Flying on 1080p here still.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Artist thanks for the work on the force feedback. I appreciate the time you spent on it. It's great to fire my cannons without my controller moving across the desk.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Artist View Post
    It was always thus - but now having increased visibility, that effect is more noticeable...

    Question: That screenshot, single player or multiplayer, if the latter which server. In both cases, activate console and type the mp_dotrange command, post the values here.
    (detailed instructions in the linked Contact Spotting, just use mp_dotrange with out any parameters)


    There were no additional changes beyond removing autocannon's shake from the total force feedback
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Karaya View Post
    I just flew on TWC server and could spot contacts flying over England all the way from France. Pretty sure that that is not intended.
    Flying on 1080p here still.
    TWC server has a configured dotrange of 25 km both for friendly and foe - I do not know what exactly "all the way from france" means.
    TWC-dotrange.jpg

    This is from the Contact Spotting - 1920x1080 - I have trouble seeing the last three at 14 km, 15 km, and 16 km
    path27-spitfires-01-16-1920x1080.jpg

    Use the Contact Spotting and post a screenshot here
    Last edited by Artist; Sep-30-2021 at 15:55.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Dawson View Post
    Artist thanks for the work on the force feedback. I appreciate the time you spent on it. It's great to fire my cannons without my controller moving across the desk.
    Thanks for your patience and help in this, too!

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Artist View Post
    TWC server has a configured dotrange of 25 km both for friendly and foe - I do not know what exactly "all the way from france" means.
    TWC-dotrange.jpg

    This is from the Contact Spotting - 1920x1080 - I have trouble seeing the last three at 14 km, 15 km, and 16 km
    path27-spitfires-01-16-1920x1080.jpg

    Use the Contact Spotting and post a screenshot here
    I have used the contact spotting mission many times before and prior to this patch could spot contacts out to ~13-14km. These contacts on TWC were much much further out than that.
    I took off a Zutkerque and could see several formations over mainland England right away. Initially thought they were some sort of flying ship anomalies but then quickly noticed they were moving.
    I did not fly over to England to check them out but I could basically see any aircraft flying over SE England right there.
    Will post a video shortly.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    "New option to toggle all ingame info windows on/off (Options, Control, Chat)"

    You guys have no idea how much I love this. Makes movie making SO much better! It's such a small change but the impact is incredible. Amazing work TFS.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    just flew on TWC 113 server at 2560 x 1440, great to see some work being done on spotting. I think the improvement in spotting could be rolled back about 50%. as much as it pains me to say it, spotting at the current setting is too easy and screen looks cluttered with contacts. I am really happy to know that improvements in spotting ae possible, Keep up the good work.
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Here's a screenshot from the Contact Spotting mission using the instructions and dotrange provided in the briefing.

    Launcher64 2021-09-30 23-17-59.jpg

    This is from the Contact Spotting - 1920x1080 - I have trouble seeing the last three at 14 km, 15 km, and 16 km
    I also used to have troubles seeing the last 1-2, with the latest patch all of them are perfectly visible.
    Try disabling anti-aliasing ingame, all of the available options tend to blur out contacts at long range. That might be why you cant see them, not the contact visibility itself.

    Also here's the video from today on TWC (unlisted)

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Karaya View Post
    I have used the contact spotting mission many times
    No, you don't have. You may have used DUI's many times. But the one linked in the Update post is another one.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    @Karaya: it is not a bug.

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_JackMaxx View Post
    just flew on TWC 113 server at 2560 x 1440, great to see some work being done on spotting. I think the improvement in spotting could be rolled back about 50%. as much as it pains me to say it, spotting at the current setting is too easy and screen looks cluttered with contacts. I am really happy to know that improvements in spotting ae possible, Keep up the good work.
    Here's the misunderstanding: I do not deny there's a change. But it's now the server's administrators choice or the single player's choice (console, rcu file)

    The TWC Server is configured with a dot range of 25km (see image previous post) and so aircraft within that range show as dots.

    If that's too much, the TWC server's administrator can reduce the mp_dotrange to what ever he thinks fit.

    Default of the game (multi and single) is, by the way, 14 km.

    Examples:
    Spits@01km -16km, mpdotrange: 25000
    Spits@01-16_mpdotrange25000_1920x1080.jpg

    Spits@5km and 12 km - 26 km mpdotrange 25000 - Spits at 25 and 26 not visible anymore
    Spits@12-26_mpdotrange25000_1920x1080.jpg

    Spits@01km -16km, mpdotrange: 10000 - Spits beyond 6km not visble (dots blur out towards then limit)
    Spits@01-16_mpdotrange10000_1920x1080.jpg

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Ok, that sort of explains then. So server admins now have to adjust the dotranges accordingly.

    I do still wonder about the dotrange in the video though because the distance to the visible contacts seems a lot higher than 25km.
    The distance from Calais (I was a fair bit south of Calais in the video) to Dover is ~40km and I could see all of these contacts that look like they were flying over the English coast.

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Hi there.

    Afraid those contact's is ships Karaya.
    Was in that great TWC server yesterday, and we could see ships
    "hundreds" of miles away. (All of them I would guess)
    The further away, the higher they were.

    Built a offline miss with ships, and I could spot them from 200km..
    MayB dotrange on ships is adjustable

    Contact spotting a/c on high res. is just GREAT now !-) THANKS Artist!
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Same here, the fix dots over the horizon are ships seen from very long range (> 60 Km).

    The aircraft dots are perfect (1920 x 1200).

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Jeepy View Post
    Afraid those contact's is ships Karaya.
    Was in that great TWC server yesterday, and we could see ships
    "hundreds" of miles away. (All of them I would guess)
    The further away, the higher they were.
    Crap. I mean, I was working on aircraft dots. Ships had no say in this. I just hate side effects. Will be looking at this now.

    Built a offline miss with ships, and I could spot them from 200km..
    MayB dotrange on ships is adjustable
    Can I have that mission, please?

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Artist View Post
    Crap. I mean, I was working on aircraft dots. Ships had no say in this. I just hate side effects. Will be looking at this now.
    Weren't ships anyway supposed to be more visible in upcoming TF patches or are they intended to be visbible through a much better method?

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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by Artist View Post
    Crap. I mean, I was working on aircraft dots. Ships had no say in this. I just hate side effects. Will be looking at this now.



    Can I have that mission, please?
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    It seems to me the ships are visible from beyond the horizon. Through the mist. So they look as if they were floating.
    Is CloD’s map flat and the horizon hidden by the mist? Looks like it.
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Aircraft dots perfect here in UHD 28" (16 out of 16 visible).

    My settings: https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.c...l=1#post375622

    Only thing I changed is Antialiasing to "SMAA"/"LUMA"/"ULTRA" with no affect to visibility.

    Edit: Screenshot added, but the .bmp-file is a lot blurrier than the original screen. The .jpg@<1MB is even worse...
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by FG28_matkenhaus View Post
    Aircraft dots perfect here in UHD 28" (16 out of 16 visible).

    My settings: https://theairtacticalassaultgroup.c...l=1#post375622

    Only thing I changed is Antialiasing to "SMAA"/"LUMA"/"ULTRA" with no affect to visibility.
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Screen using the "Print"-Button is better (not that blurry, quite what I see ingame):
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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    I could spot English shipping in the Thames estuary from Calais on the TWC server yesterday.

    Aircraft spotting looks fine for me in Contact spotting 5.5 with the new version (13 from 16 contacts).


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    Re: IL-2 Sturmovik Cliffs Of Dover and Desert Wings - Tobruk: Update 5.027

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52_J-HAT View Post
    Is CloD’s map flat [...]
    No, just the other way round (pun intended): The map does follow earth' curvature, the target dots do not. I'll explain later in detail.

    Again, this is something that has always been there, but is now more evident on servers with maximum mp_dotrange.

    And ... I do not need more reports on incidents of ships seen from far, ok? I'm already working on it.
    :-))

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