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    109 Gondolas

    Just looking for clarity here.
    It seems you can not adjust ammo load-out or convergence settings when taking a 109 w 20mm gondolas.
    Does it copy parameters of your center line gun setup? Or does it stay at some default. If so what is that default convergence?
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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hackl View Post
    Just looking for clarity here.
    It seems you can not adjust ammo load-out or convergence settings when taking a 109 w 20mm gondolas.
    Does it copy parameters of your center line gun setup? Or does it stay at some default. If so what is that default convergence?
    Hello Hackl

    Default convergence for the gondolas is 400 meters... the same as the nose cannon.

    This is actually probably wrong... 400 meters is ok for a nose cannon centrally mounted where the convergence doesn't matter that much, but for wing cannons it is a little high... should be probably 250 meters. Both nose and gondolas should probably be set to 250 m unless you are trying to snipe the bombers from longer range.

    Whatever your preference, you should be able to adjust convergence by going into multiplayer and setting it there.

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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    Hello Hackl

    Default convergence for the gondolas is 400 meters... the same as the nose cannon.

    This is actually probably wrong... 400 meters is ok for a nose cannon centrally mounted where the convergence doesn't matter that much, but for wing cannons it is a little high... should be probably 250 meters. Both nose and gondolas should probably be set to 250 m unless you are trying to snipe the bombers from longer range.

    Whatever your preference, you should be able to adjust convergence by going into multiplayer and setting it there.
    I have selected and tried this but there is only option to select the gondolas but no option to customize them in loadout or convergence. Did i miss something? It would be awesome if we could tune them to a preference.
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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hackl View Post
    I have selected and tried this but there is only option to select the gondolas but no option to customize them in loadout or convergence. Did i miss something? It would be awesome if we could tune them to a preference.
    Will look at this.

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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by RAF74_Buzzsaw View Post
    Will look at this.
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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Please can someone tell me which Bf 109s have gondolas?

    I can't find any variants with the gondola option!

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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by carbolicus View Post
    Please can someone tell me which Bf 109s have gondolas?

    I can't find any variants with the gondola option!
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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by carbolicus View Post
    Please can someone tell me which Bf 109s have gondolas?

    I can't find any variants with the gondola option!
    The standard Bf-109F-4 and the F-4 Trop which were used from Feb. 1942 have gondolas as an option.

    The earlier, (July 1941-Jan. 1942) De-Rated versions of the F-4 do not.

    None of the F-1 or F-2 versions have them.

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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Bumping this as there is not yet resolution.
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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hackl View Post
    Just looking for clarity here.
    It seems you can not adjust ammo load-out or convergence settings when taking a 109 w 20mm gondolas.
    Does it copy parameters of your center line gun setup? Or does it stay at some default. If so what is that default convergence?
    Just following up on this.
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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hackl View Post
    Just following up on this.
    Sorry Hackl

    We are all focused on the Visual Update right now.

    Will try to deal with this after that is complete.

    May have to wait for TF 6.0 though.

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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Quote Originally Posted by 9./JG52 Hackl View Post
    Just following up on this.
    Hi Hackle,

    Not a full answer to your questions, but you can use the attached mission (written I think by Varratu) to determine the current default convergence setting of the gondolas 20mm guns.

    I measured it to be ~200m hor / 200m ver, but I may be wrong...

    If you get a different reading, thanks for sharing it here.



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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Hello Hackl

    The convergence of the gunpods is 400 meters.

    These weapons were introduced to deal with the arrival of the first heavy USAAF 4 engined types.

    And the doctrine of the time was for the German interceptors to attack from the rear of the bombers at a range where the US .50 cals were unlikely to hit.

    So that is the reason for the 400 meter convergence.

    Later, the Germans switched their doctrine to emphasis head on attacks and the convergence was set to less.

    I guess we could set the default convergence to a more standard 250 meters, but wouldn't be historical.

    Regarding when the player will be able to set his own convergence, not sure at this point.

    Interestingly, the Luftwaffe went back to rear quarter attacks in 1944 with the introduction of the 'Sturmbock' FW-190's equipped with 30mm Mk 108 gunpods.

    These 190's were equipped with heavy armor in the front and it was hoped it would protect the pilot... while he 'lobbed' the heavy slow moving 30mm rounds at the bombers.

    Unfortunately for the Jagdfliegers, by mid 1944, they rarely got the opportunity to set up for a slow gaining deliberate attack from the rear... the USAAF Escorts were generally too aggressive to allow them to do that. Most of the time they had to take their shot from whichever quarter they initially approached from... which was generally ahead of the bombers.
    Last edited by RAF74_Buzzsaw; Sep-26-2022 at 20:49.

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    Re: 109 Gondolas

    Thank you for the responses Buzz and Noofy.
    I don't normally fly w gondolas due to the performance hit.
    But may want to in certain situations or campaigns.
    If i did it would be awesome to have the capability to adjust load-out and convergence.
    We all know what weight of fire can do at convergence.
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