Battle over France 8/27/22

[Leart]

[ATAG_Noofy]

Thanks for sharing

Lol! I'm glad I kept you guys busy for a while. Ouch!

[ATAG_Marlow]

Thanks for sharing

Lol! I'm glad I kept you guys busy for a while. Ouch!

Too right! We thought you were fighting the war single handed! I think my poor Blennie was 'Noofed' early on near Poix Nord and then it was shot down again and again.

We Reds managed to knock out Liegescourt and then turned our attention to Barly. I took off from Dieppe with Treebeard and we flew our Blennies north along the coast, across the Somme Estuary towards Berke. We then turned east and, at 12000 feet, passed north of Liegecourt heading for Barly. We struggled to locate the airfield because of cloud cover but eventually espied it. The plan was to dive down on the target and pass over it so fast that we wouldn't fail to hit it, escape the flak and get away. By that stage we weren't too worried about being shot down........ just get the wretched bombs on target, please!

So Treebeard and I started our dive. About a few miles out, Treebeard, who was behind me at the time, reported he was under attack. Hells bells......running out of time....must reach the airfield!!!!! Treebeard reported he was on fire......going down.....unable to bail out! Inwardly I was screaming 'must reach the airfield! MUST.......reach the airfield!'
The perimeter was coming up....copius flak was coming up! My finger was on the bomb release....any second I would be able to press it home. What's this? Tracer! 500 yards to the airfield...more tracer......hits! HITS? Well even if I'm hit I should be able to struggle over the airfield and drop.

WHAATT? Nose going down? Not responding to .......must have lost elevator.......going in!!!!! Noooooooo!
So close! That ^*#%+ NOOFY!!!!!!
Noofed.....again! At the nth hour!!!!!!
I DON'T BELIEVE IT!

Those dastardly Blues had adopted the tactic of all taking E4's and flying cap over their airfields to stop us reaching them.....a very unsporting bunch, if you ask me!

Oh well....you're right! It worked! Only too well, it worked!!!!

Great fun....and big thanks to Pattle and Snap for organising! Salute!

[ATAG_Snapper]

Yesterday. Map: Relinquish

Spawn: Querqueville in Wellingtons

Slot: “What’s the target for today, Snap?”

Snapper: “Le Havre airfield. We’re gonna bomb the hell out of it!”

Jeepy: “Uh..check the briefing, guys. The objective is not the airfield, but specific targets within the airfield.”

Snapper: “But Noofy is spawning in G.50’s at Le Havre airfield.”

Everyone: “Let’s bomb the hell outta Le Havre airfield!!!”

Note: Jeepy and Snargle hit the designated Le Havre objectives. The rest of us left potholes on a grassy airfield. Nobody whacked Noofy. LOL

[lolala]

[ATAG_Marlow]

Yesterday......
Nobody whacked Noofy. LOL

Ha haaaaagggghhhh!

That Noofy is getting to be untouchable! Next time the Reds will have to dedicate half their forces to 'nootralising' the Noofy!



Thinking about it, I think Treebeard and I would have stood a better chance of hitting Barly and surviving, if we had gone in at high level and used our bombsights to drop on the target.

The capping E4's were all at low level, hell bent on shooting down low level attacking aircraft. I knew this but thought our speed would carry us through. It didn't!

Was I Noofed? Not sure who shot me down but it certainly felt like a 'Noofing!' Salute

[ATAG_Noofy]

Those dastardly Blues had adopted the tactic of all taking E4's

That day I only flew Ju 88 and Bf 110…

[DerDa]

Ha haaaaagggghhhh!

That Noofy is getting to be untouchable! Next time the Reds will have to dedicate half their forces to 'nootralising' the Noofy!



Thinking about it, I think Treebeard and I would have stood a better chance of hitting Barly and surviving, if we had gone in at high level and used our bombsights to drop on the target.

The capping E4's were all at low level, hell bent on shooting down low level attacking aircraft. I knew this but thought our speed would carry us through. It didn't!

Was I Noofed? Not sure who shot me down but it certainly felt like a 'Noofing!' Salute

A big problem for bombers on ATAG servers is Tab-7-1.
The defending fighters always know somebody is coming in, the bombers get no info about where the fighters are.
On TWC you can at least escape radar by flying low, on ATAG you can't.

[ATAG_Noofy]

A big problem for bombers on ATAG servers is Tab-7-1.
The defending fighters always know somebody is coming in, the bombers get no info about where the fighters are.
On TWC you can at least escape radar by flying low, on ATAG you can't.

Fully agree

[ATAG_Noofy]

Yesterday. Map: Relinquish

Spawn: Querqueville in Wellingtons

Slot: “What’s the target for today, Snap?”

Snapper: “Le Havre airfield. We’re gonna bomb the hell out of it!”

Jeepy: “Uh..check the briefing, guys. The objective is not the airfield, but specific targets within the airfield.”

Snapper: “But Noofy is spawning in G.50’s at Le Havre airfield.”

Everyone: “Let’s bomb the hell outta Le Havre airfield!!!”

Note: Jeepy and Snargle hit the designated Le Havre objectives. The rest of us left potholes on a grassy airfield. Nobody whacked Noofy. LOL

I never came near Le Havre that day. Again, flying the G50 with the high end spits and hurries around made no sense at all.

Instead I enjoyed very long bomb runs on Theville, passing way up north, training to just navigate by compass and clock. All on autopilot, with an alarm clock set to when the Airfield should be in sight. What a feeling when you jump in your bomber position, look through the good old Lotfe 7 bombsight, and see Theville just where it should be, after a 45 minute nav through various waypoints with no external references

I only got jumped once by a lone Hurricane (Lorena I think) lost high up somewhere north-west of Dieppe, in the middle of the Channel. Not sure what it was doing there. When, I saw the tracers on my screen, I was relaxing on a chair, with the Ju-88 C4 on full autopilot. I attempted to dogfight, but was too heavy. Turned back. Got some hits on him, but was hit myself and lost one engine. Almost made it to the coast before losing my second engine, but successfully managed to crash land within swim distance, and survived. The Hurri did not make it back home.

[ATAG_Marlow]

Great mission report above, Noofy. I enjoyed it a lot.

I think we Reds owe poor old Noofy an apology. He seems to be getting blamed for the demise of every single Red pilot on the server at the moment but then......he's such a great sport!!!! He gives us Reds a superb challenge......even when he's minding his own business in a Ju 88 miles out to sea! He single handedly brings so much added value to the sim and forces us Reds to 'up our game!'

Improve your navigation......up that situational awareness......improve your gunnery skills......or you'll get Noofed!

I completely understand Noofy's enthusiasm for navigating new routes to a target, avoiding known flak and fighter concentrations. This is as important on our sim as it was back in the dark days of the war. Plan your route carefully, navigate accurately and there is real satisfaction to be gained from just finding your target, let alone bombing it successfully. What Noofy does with his Ju 88 is exactly what I try in the Blenheim and Wellington, albeit probably not so successfully.

And this amazing sim allows all of that...and more! Amazing! Salute

[56RAF_stickz]

Great mission report above, Noofy. I enjoyed it a lot.

I think we Reds owe poor old Noofy an apology. He seems to be getting blamed for the demise of every single Red pilot on the server at the moment but then......he's such a great sport!!!! He gives us Reds a superb challenge......even when he's minding his own business in a Ju 88 miles out to sea! He single handedly brings so much added value to the sim and forces us Reds to 'up our game!'

Improve your navigation......up that situational awareness......improve your gunnery skills......or you'll get Noofed!

I completely understand Noofy's enthusiasm for navigating new routes to a target, avoiding known flak and fighter concentrations. This is as important on our sim as it was back in the dark days of the war. Plan your route carefully, navigate accurately and there is real satisfaction to be gained from just finding your target, let alone bombing it successfully. What Noofy does with his Ju 88 is exactly what I try in the Blenheim and Wellington, albeit probably not so successfully.

And this amazing sim allows all of that...and more! Amazing! Salute

Trouble for him is - (as previously mentioned) if he is the only blue pilot in a bomber, every tab 7-1 will highlight him - every single time no matter what route or height he takes. Similar, take 3 blennies, unless another is flying one of you will show up to track all from blue.

and there was me thinking marlow just looked at map said targets 240deg lets go

[ATAG_Noofy]

Trouble for him is - (as previously mentioned) if he is the only blue pilot in a bomber, every tab 7-1 will highlight him - every single time no matter what route or height he takes. Similar, take 3 blennies, unless another is flying one of you will show up to track all from blue.

and there was me thinking marlow just looked at map said targets 240deg lets go

I think the way radar functions is that it locks on first bomber detected until crashed or de-spawned. So with at least two coordinated bombers you can sent the first one to a far away random location while the second one, taking off later, would go to target undetected by radar.

Again, that’s what I think, not sure it is correct. Can someone confirm?

[DerDa]

I think the way radar functions is that it locks on first bomber detected until crashed or de-spawned. So with at least two coordinated bombers you can sent the first one to a far away random location while the second one, taking off later, would go to target undetected by radar.

Again, that’s what I think, not sure it is correct. Can someone confirm?

If I remember correctly it was always the one who is nearest, but I may be wrong.
Also there have been changes: at the beginning contacts disappeared when they were flying too low (don't remember the limit). But later on, also planes standing on airfields were shown.

But it can be very unreliable as well. Just yesterday we chased a 109 that climbed away from us. We turned back and closely watched 6 as well as 7-1.
7-1did not tell us anything, but we saw his contrail, when he was coming back eventually.

[ATAG_Noofy]

If I remember correctly it was always the one who is nearest, but I may be wrong.
Also there have been changes: at the beginning contacts disappeared when they were flying too low (don't remember the limit). But later on, also planes standing on airfields were shown.

But it can be very unreliable as well. Just yesterday we chased a 109 that climbed away from us. We turned back and closely watched 6 as well as 7-1.
7-1did not tell us anything, but we saw his contrail, when he was coming back eventually.

I think 7-1 loses track when the plane is too close, not sure what that limit is but under 5km rings a bell.
Time to dig in the older forum threads I guess…

[ATAG_Marlow]

I think 7-1 is definitely not to be relied on. It even seems to vary within the different Axis v Allies maps. Sometimes it seems to work well, responding to different aircraft movements, picking up on the closest. Other times you will get a call out: 'Bombers 90 degrees, 15 miles'..... every single time you punch in...never varies......but there are no bombers. Is it just me but I remember a time back around 2015 when it seemed to be far more reliable?

In short, I treat 7-1 as an unreliable guide............'Situational Awareness' is All! Salute!

[ATAG_Noofy]

It would be cool if someone who knows how tab-7-1 technically works could write a short informational reminder for everyone’s benefit

[9./JG52 Hackl]

I dont use it. I prefer to hunt by sight, guess-timation and chance. Enhances the thrill of having to id a contact before engaging or not. I wish they would eliminate the crutches. Radar that can be knocked out is a different story.

[ATAG_Marlow]

I prefer to hunt by sight.....................

Ha haaaaggghhh!

Don't we just know it! Spoken like a true 'experten!' Salute!

[ATAG_Highseas]

It would be cool if someone who knows how tab-7-1 technically works could write a short informational reminder for everyone’s benefit

ok.. no probs.... I have a lot of experience with this.


so...

First of all relax. Breathe in... you got this.

Press on the TAB key, wait a moment, and.... exhale.

and now you will want to go ahead and press on the 7 key, wait for it.... ok now press the key....

Good work.

Well done.

almost there. Hold onto you chachras and chanel your Chi.....

and ... ok... then finally press on the 1.

YEYY !!!!!

and then you jus

DAMMIT...

Got shot down...

[ATAG_Noofy]

Thank you Seas.
Who would have thought that TAB-7-1 meant we had to press the sequence TAB then 7 then 1 on the keyboard. Wow!

Now that we figured that out, perhaps someone can explain what happens next?

1. Does the radar lock on the first plane until crashed or despawned, or on the nearest plane, which means this can change when you move?
2. Is the distance measured 2D or 3D? In other words if it says distance 5km does it mean the plane is laterally 5km away from your location, or could it be right on top of you but 5000m higher?
3. Is there a minimum altitude above which the detection works? I.e. can you fly "under the radar" to avoid detection?
4. Does it detect planes on the ground?
5. Does it detect planes in your very close vicinity? I.e. would it detect a plane 500m from you?
6. What is the accuracy of the bearings? +/- 15 degrees?
7. What is the accuracy of the distances? +/- 5km?
8. Assuming the maximum range is 30 km, are the bearings shown at 30km or above significant or can they be ignored?
9. Etc.

[ATAG_Snapper]

‘Seas is BACK!

[Artist]

Looking at it (as a respite from a heavier project), ... please stand by.

[Artist]

... found explanations ... and bugs. More later ...

[ATAG_Colander]

... found explanations ... and bugs. More later ...

More bugs later?

[MorsKochanski]

I have no idea how you guys get the Spit to turn and perform like that. So much to learn!

My own flying is pedestrian is comparison.

[ATAG_Highseas]

I have no idea how you guys get the Spit to turn and perform like that. So much to learn!

My own flying is pedestrian is comparison.

Wing walker eh?

[ATAG_Knight]

I have no idea how you guys get the Spit to turn and perform like that. So much to learn!

My own flying is pedestrian is comparison.

Just get a 109 up your rear end ... then you'll learn real fast !

[ATAG_Snarglepuss]

Thanks for posting Leart!
Yet another Jolly Boys outing

Dameon was right.
We are having too much fun.

[MorsKochanski]

Wing walker eh?

I might be better off doing that, yes.