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    Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    are been made....in my country, by a talented dude whos name is Milan....Hes ben working on high quality (much better than anything that simped offered) rudder pedals (in every aspect). He named them MFG Crosswind rudder pedals. Heres the link for his topic on simhq and a few of his videos of adjustments, features etc...
    simhq topic

    BTW, he offered me to test them and compare em with simped vario and saiteks but I didnt have time so other guy from my town took em on test and compared them with his F16 simpeds....he said these are better than simpeds....As Milan told us he is considering to go in production (maybe to have a small workshop like mr Hofmann had).









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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    It looks very, very good!


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    yep...the thing is MFG pedals are more durable than anything on the market (russian VKBs mayb,e are of same quality) and are probably the most adjustable.
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    they look great!
    wonder what the $$$$ is

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Colander View Post
    they look great!
    wonder what the $$$$ is
    250 euros (330 bucks) he said if I rem right...plus shipping etc ofcourse...Will ask him again..
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Wow. They look absolutely fantastic. Quality counts. Very nice indeed.

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    BTW, you can contact him on:
    meanstreak@net.hr


    here is a closeup pic:

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Those look awesome Tvardi! First class
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Tvrdi View Post
    250 euros (330 bucks) he said if I rem right...plus shipping etc ofcourse...Will ask him again..
    Yes please let us know, i am very interested in buying one


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Wow - that is awesome. And he's only asking $300 or so? That is a steal for that type of quality. I'll be in line to buy some as well!


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Here is what DBS Thor said about em (first glance test, he will do deeper test):

    I am currently testing this brand new model vs. my Simped F16, and can tell you that I prefer the MSG Crosswind pedals. They can be set up to represent the spring action on Simpeds (linear stiffness), and at the same time (my and builder's preference) to a more exponential setting (similar to what sim racers do to their brake pedals). This translates into much higher fidelity, as brain memorizes a required force much better than distance. All thanks to different cam profiles and modular lever settings on which the spring is attached to. Simpeds on the the other hand have a very distinct center (more of a bump). Because of this MFG Crosswing pedals allow for a more responsive maneuvers that require fast switching from one side to another. The center is there and you can feel it accurately, but it doesn't feel like crossing over a bump. Pedals will ship with two cam profiles, we are now in the process of selecting the best ones out of five the builder has sent us. I will be forwarding them to two more testers (as of now) once the review is complete.

    The toe brakes are a story for themselves, and so is the crazy level or ergonomics which was IMHO Simped's (F16 model at least) biggest flaw. More on that when I put together a YT review and comparison.
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    http://forum.il2sturmovik.net/topic/...ur-wet-dreams/

    BTW, here are metric dimensions (thanks Sokol)



    electronics is from Ukraine, made by GVL224 for BRD and it is used (in last 2 yrs) on BRD pedals...

    Sensor is KMZ41
    Hall effekt for brakes is Allegro A1302

    Precision : rudder cca 3800 true positions - linear
    brakes cca 1000 positions linear - thru 20 degree of braking, full resolution thru 0-62 degree which is total pedal adjustable angle...becouse sensor is secured so it stand still while user adjust pedals angle


    Update: With aditional plate it is possible to do a small adjustment in width and hight.
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    I was looking at these and found this post... I am actually thinking of saving to get a set of these.. I have had my current Saiteks for about 4 years now.. and if I was going to drop this kind of $$$ for some pedals these are the ones I would get..

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    video review (by DBS Thor) is up:
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Very nice

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Bearcat View Post
    I was looking at these and found this post... I am actually thinking of saving to get a set of these.. I have had my current Saiteks for about 4 years now.. and if I was going to drop this kind of $$$ for some pedals these are the ones I would get..
    Yeah - these look incredible, especially for the price. I have CH pedals now, and they have never given me problems, but they are very narrow. These pedals look like works of art.


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    They are amazing looking pedals. I too use the CH Pro pedals with my Logitech G940 stick and throttle (Thanks Dutch!). Agree Bliss that the only complaint is the width. My clodhoppers have to be in trainers or socks. I'm going to see if I can get me a set.
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    My MFG pedals arrived yesterday in good order.



    Packaging was exceptional.
    Workmanship and engineering is impeccable.

    Assembly was minimal, fix pedals,connect Brake wires to snap in fittings, attach USB chord, Attach spring. All took about 10mins max.
    Connected to PC and all was well.
    Did a basic Win 7 Calibration on them.
    Then using a supplied utility did a specific Brake calibration.

    Fired up DCS P51D. New controller shown in options as Simunda MFG.
    Assigned each brake axis, as Slider and tick the invert box
    Set DZ at 10 , Curvature at 35.
    For rudder again DZ 10 curvature 35
    Went Flying

    Absolutely stunning, Smooth progressive Differential brakes, Absolutely smooth Rudder application.
    Yet to test the other 2 centering cams that came with them. Cam changing about a 5 min job.

    So far so good .... Easily the best rudder pedals I have used on a PC.

    only issue I had was figuring out where Win7 hides the calibration panel ! Here is the way to it for future refrence.
    Start Control Panel
    In the little Search box type in "Game"
    then you will see the Setup USB game controller option.
    click on it then Properties




    FLOOR ATTACHMENT
    My "pit" is on a large piece of Chipboard. To attach pedals to the Floor I cut 2 small bits of wood and MDF. The rear section to prevent rearward movement. The centre piece to prevent lateral movement. these 2 pieces working together effectively lock the pedals in place. There was no tendancy for the pedals to rise with aggressive use and or brake application. The anti slip mat under the pedals is probably not required. I chose this method rather than physically attaching the pedal base to the wood with screws. I had no need for the wall spacers as a already had a "Wall spacer" arrangement in place for my previous pedals.




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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    What was the actual price of the pedals?


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Injerin View Post
    What was the actual price of the pedals?
    262Euro + Post and Pack.

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Ivank View Post
    262Euro + Post and Pack.
    $346.81 thank you im sure post is going to be mint I live near Chicago, but they look worth it


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    IvanK, first of all, congrats for your purchase and many thanks for the detailed installation and tricks guide.

    As a future buyer, I would kindly ask you to solve my only doubt: after watching the videos and the MFG website it's still unclear to me what material are Crosswind rudders made of? I've used in my job 18/20 mm. plastic film covered MD wood fiber panels with plastic covered edges. It is a pretty hard and resistant material, ideal for heavy duty tasks, like standing our kicks when dogfighting. And Crosswind main components look like that to me. You know, curiosity killed the cat. Am I right? Thank you.

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    Hi all
    This is my first post here. Tvrdi and IvanK pointed me on this thread and lot of people interested so I decided to register and be there if you need info. It looks like many of you are interested and need some info. My name is Milan, I am a builder of MFG Crosswind, you can find me on forums as "Milan_Croatia" and "meanstreak-2" on ROF forum.

    I kind of made SimHQ thread my home...since I started it all there...and It is simplier for me to point people on one place where they can find all info they might be interested.
    http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph..._p#Post3829256
    For final details from page 12 is a good reading. For people wanting to know more...I wrote a lot...and you can see many improvements made over time, as well as technical details and why I did what I did with my pedals.

    www.mfg.simundza.com
    My homepage...there is also a gallery now, all features etc.

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    To answer your last question about Material...which is also what I wrote on SimHQ somewhere

    Material is composite. Closest thing you might be familiar with is HPL - High pressure laminate. There are various types of this material and Final specs I will not give...simply to keep someone from copying my design.

    In general HPL is made by putting layers of paper and glue and hot pressing it together with 600 tons of pressure or more. What is not general here is glue ammount, paper orientation in cross 45 degree ( like carbon fiber) etc.
    Material can be mostly compared to Bakelite. It has a solid black core, and white surface is thin layer...in future it maybe won't be white. In greater quantities I could order grey for example - which is what I would like to see my pedals colored grey/black. Bakelite was made by glueing cotton with phenolic resign - so it's not identical.

    Approx mechanical characteristic is 30% weaker on impact than aluminium. I compensated that with thickness.
    Again - final thickness can be measured by my customers, but I prefer not to go public with that info, again, afraid of someone copying my design and using a lot of my engineering work for free.

    All you need to know is that it's more then enough thick,sturdy and tested on a long term use. It does not conduct electricity and it does not have magnetic interference to sensors like metal has.

    There are already enough people who tried my pedals and buyers like IvanK who can confirm the ruggednes of my pedals...

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    For pricing and orders
    I am currently in arrangement for a second preorder process. After that there will be some price increase ( as I wrote about it on Simhq).
    So anyone intrested in preorder send an e-mail to mfg@simundza.com to get full info.

    If you have questions feel free to ask, I'm here
    greetings to all
    Milan

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Those pedals look sweet! DCS P51D was an excellent testbed to try them!


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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Milan MFG View Post
    Hi all
    This is my first post here. Tvrdi and IvanK pointed me on this thread and lot of people interested so I decided to register and be there if you need info. It looks like many of you are interested and need some info. My name is Milan, I am a builder of MFG Crosswind, you can find me on forums as "Milan_Croatia" and "meanstreak-2" on ROF forum.

    I kind of made SimHQ thread my home...since I started it all there...and It is simplier for me to point people on one place where they can find all info they might be interested.
    http://simhq.com/forum/ubbthreads.ph..._p#Post3829256
    For final details from page 12 is a good reading. For people wanting to know more...I wrote a lot...and you can see many improvements made over time, as well as technical details and why I did what I did with my pedals.

    www.mfg.simundza.com
    My homepage...there is also a gallery now, all features etc.

    ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    To answer your last question about Material...which is also what I wrote on SimHQ somewhere

    Material is composite. Closest thing you might be familiar with is HPL - High pressure laminate. There are various types of this material and Final specs I will not give...simply to keep someone from copying my design.

    In general HPL is made by putting layers of paper and glue and hot pressing it together with 600 tons of pressure or more. What is not general here is glue ammount, paper orientation in cross 45 degree ( like carbon fiber) etc.
    Material can be mostly compared to Bakelite. It has a solid black core, and white surface is thin layer...in future it maybe won't be white. In greater quantities I could order grey for example - which is what I would like to see my pedals colored grey/black. Bakelite was made by glueing cotton with phenolic resign - so it's not identical.

    Approx mechanical characteristic is 30% weaker on impact than aluminium. I compensated that with thickness.
    Again - final thickness can be measured by my customers, but I prefer not to go public with that info, again, afraid of someone copying my design and using a lot of my engineering work for free.

    All you need to know is that it's more then enough thick,sturdy and tested on a long term use. It does not conduct electricity and it does not have magnetic interference to sensors like metal has.

    There are already enough people who tried my pedals and buyers like IvanK who can confirm the ruggednes of my pedals...

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
    For pricing and orders
    I am currently in arrangement for a second preorder process. After that there will be some price increase ( as I wrote about it on Simhq).
    So anyone intrested in preorder send an e-mail to mfg@simundza.com to get full info.

    If you have questions feel free to ask, I'm here
    greetings to all
    Milan

    Hi Milan, that was a quick answer, thanks a lot. I guess I know the material you are talking about. We call it here MDF, medium density fibreboard. Tough as it can be.

    You have already done it for sure, but an intellectual property agent could help you to protect your product. I guess 3.000€ will suffice for a two years protection until you make up yourself upon going any further [other countries, etc.].

    Best regards,

    Engadin.

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    I work with MDF a lot - producing painted kitchen doors and stuff...and NO...it's NOT MDF

    MDF is very weak material...made of wood dust and ordinary glue...some types of water resistent glue. And it's made under much less pressure than HPL. It doesn't have impact strenght...it shrink and expand depending on air moisture content...therefore it can bend. It's fibers are not a solid product...therefore can't be build up to tight tolerance - like to put bearings in....

    So MDF -for wall covering, kitchen doors, part of multilayered flooring etc...but not for pedals.

    HPL is much stronger and better material in it's ordinary shape...and mine is more than that.

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Quote Originally Posted by Milan MFG View Post
    I work with MDF a lot - producing painted kitchen doors and stuff...and NO...it's NOT MDF

    MDF is very weak material...made of wood dust and ordinary glue...some types of water resistent glue. And it's made under much less pressure than HPL. It doesn't have impact strenght...it shrink and expand depending on air moisture content...therefore it can bend. It's fibers are not a solid product...therefore can't be build up to tight tolerance - like to put bearings in....

    So MDF -for wall covering, kitchen doors, part of multilayered flooring etc...but not for pedals.

    HPL is much stronger and better material in it's ordinary shape...and mine is more than that.
    Sorry, my bad. I only wanted to know before pre-ordering but failed my aim. HPL must then be the laminated, scratch, impact and wear resistant material that covers the MDF to isolate it from humidity and colour it. So it's 30 times tougher and resistant than I thought. Best choice possible.

    AA_Engadin

    P. S. BTW, Formica is the most important HPL brand in my country and their laminates are legendary for its longevity.
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Yep...you got it.
    Formica produces standard HPL in boards...very popular brand in US

    It's normaly used in 0,8 mm thick sheet to cover MDF or plywood to add up impact and scratch resistance, chemical resistance.

    You noticed how sturdy it is...now add a lot of thickness to that...now add up a lot better structural strenght than formica ...and you understand what my pedals are build of

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Pre-ordered my set, $395.50 to the US.

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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    I closed 2nd preordering process and I put some news on my web so take a look for info.

    Onfortunately I think some of my mail with preorder offer ended in spam filters becouse some interested people didn't respond at all. I did respond to all e-mails I recived.

    P.S. gallery on website is up, still a bit buggy but working

    Funny, how my end of preordering - kind of a small kickstarter....ended the day DCS WW2 kickstarter started....and my delivery date of preordered pedals is the same as DCS WW2 kickstarter end. It ended that way when last pedal set was preordered....weird ha
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    Re: Rudder pedals of your wet dreams...

    Amazing piece of hardware, Milan... And to think we're practically neighbors I'm just across the border in Slovenia...
    If I ever consider buying this (for now I'm satisfied with my Saitek Pro Flight Combat pedals), any way I could hop over to you and pick them up personally, avoid postage and paypal fees?

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