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    DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    The kickstarter is up for DCS WW2

    link http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ii-europe-1944

    and Oleg Maddox is involved!

    Really excited about this project, here's hoping they are successful!

    [edit] here is a link to the DCS forums for more info:
    DCS WW2 Europe 1944 Forum



    Welcome to DCS WWII: Europe 1944, the start of an exciting new flight simulation series!


    Legendary flight simulation designers Oleg Maddox, Ilya Shevchenko, and Igor Tishin, are excited to bring you a new WWII flight simulation for the PC. Built by industry veterans with the same approach that made the famous flight sims of the past great, and in partnership with the experts at the Fighter Collection and Eagle Dynamics, the simulation aims to satisfy seasoned aces as well as attract new pilots to the genre.

    With unparalleled attention to detail, our developers have decades of experience with aerial combat simulations. We are famous for our ability to make our games fun while maintaining unwavering dedication to historical realism. We can do it because relatively simple WWII-era aircraft do not require extensive training, and nimble controls and simple weapons naturally lead to fast-paced close-quarters battles.
    We want to open a new page in WWII combat simulations. We also strive to recapture everything that made famous flight simulations of the past great, starting with a thick spiral-bound manual and comprehensive training, and ending with great free-for-all multiplayer. But we cannot do it without your help!





    • Detailed recreations of famous WWII aircraft.





    • Meticulous modeling of individual aircraft systems.



    • Planes can be flown by following actual historical flight manuals without the need to refer to in-game documentation!





    • Huge game world painstakingly recreated from period maps.





    • Rich single-player experience recreating famous battles from both sides.





    • Join the German Luftwaffe, or attack Fortress Europe with the British RAF or the US Army Air Force.



    • Fight in famous battles like the D-Day Invasion and the Battle of the Falaise pocket.





    • Join a historical squadron and fly alongside famous aces from both sides.





    • Advanced AI recreates historical tactics and models pilots of varying skill levels, from bumbling rookies to merciless aces.





    • Dynamic weather and seasons add a beautiful backdrop and additional challenges to each sortie.





    • Comprehensive training system makes the game accessible to people who have never flown before.





    • Detailed aircraft manuals explain the specifics of each aircraft, and the realities of historical aerial combat.





    • Robust multiplayer module provides the ultimate challenge by pitting players against each other in heated large-scale battles.
    • Powerful mission and campaign editors allow creation of player-made scenarios.
    • Mission replay system, pilot log book, and other features add to the player experience.


    Flyable Aircraft:

    • Republic P-47D-28 Thunderbolt;
    • Supermarine Spitfire Mk IX;
    • Messerschmitt Bf-109K-4;
    • Focke-Wulf FW.190D-9 (from DCS: World);
    • North-American P-51D Mustang (from DCS: World).



    Non-Flyable Aircraft:

    • Boeing B-17G Flying Fortress;
    • Messerschmitt Me.262A-1.



    Landscape:

    • Normandy. Area of the historical D-Day Invasion, as well as the extensive preparation and follow-up battles.



    Single-Player:

    • Training campaign for each aircraft;
    • Luftwaffe Fighter campaign (Bf.109);
    • British Fighter campaign (Spitfire);
    • US Ground Attack campaign (P-47).



    Multi-Player:

    • Selection of missions for each aircraft.



    Other:

    • Authentic ground vehicles, guns, and ships;
    • Authentic historical buildings and landmarks;
    • Regular content updates.






    $100,000

    • Standard project features



    $375,000

    • Everything at the previous level, plus:
    • A flyable Hawker Typhoon IB
    • A flyable FW.190A-5
    • Single-player campaign for the Typhoon
    • Single-player campaign for the FW.190



    $550,000

    • Everything at the previous level, plus:
    • A flyable Douglas A-26B-15 Invader
    • A flyable Messerschmitt Me.262A-1
    • Ardennes, new large gameplay map
    • Single-player campaign for the A-26
    • Single-player campaign for the Me.262
    • A Luftwaffe Fighter and a US Fighter campaign for the Battle of the Bulge.



    $750,000

    • Everything at the previous level, plus:
    • A flyable Lockheed P-38J-15
    • A flyable de Havilland Mosquito FB.VI
    • Single-player campaign for the P-38
    • Single-player campaign for the Mosquito



    $1,000,000

    • Everything at the previous level, plus:
    • A flyable Boeing B-17
    • A flyable Luftwaffe plane (Me 410 A or Ju 88, as voted for by the backers)
    • Romania, new large gameplay map
    • 4 new single-player campaigns for the new aircraft and theaters






    Realities of the current PC marketplace have a lot of developers moving away from traditional distribution models. The last major release in the DCS line, DCS World, is distributed via a free-to-play model. The core game is available free of charge. We encourage you to check the game out, but keep in mind that the included modern aircraft, like the free Su-25 attack jet, are as different from WWII prop fighters as today’s smartphone from a 1940s Bakelite rotary.
    The free to play model allows a wider audience access the core game. It is, in essence, a free demo that allows everyone to try the game before they buy it. At the same time, the model accurately reflects immense development costs attached to historically accurate study sims. Recreating a single historical aircraft to DCS standards is a large-scale project for an entire team of experienced developers, each possessing unique skills. Schedules and budgets for each individual aircraft built to today’s standards are comparable to those for entire games from just a few years ago.

    The DCS WWII series will start with Europe 1944 and, given enough interest, continue to grow to cover more theaters, more aircraft, and more content. Moreover, its modules will plug into DCS World modules and vice versa, so you’ll be able to fly a 1940s Messerschmitt against a modern Su-25, if you so choose.
    DCS: Europe 1944 will distribute via a free-to-play model, with the core game available as a free download! That means that a supporter of ANY level will be able to fly and enjoy this game! The rest of the modules will be available as a separate purchase.

    The free downloadable version of Europe 1944 will include THREE fully flyable aircraft, each arguably more famous than the next: the Republic P-47 Thunderbolt fighter/ground attack aircraft, the Supermarine Spitfire fighter, and the German Messerschmitt Bf.109G. Non-player-controllable versions of all other aircraft will also be included, allowing the players to see them in action at any time.
    Backers at the $20 level or above will receive one more flyable aircraft of their choice, and backers at $40 or above will receive the entire flyable aircraft set.
    If we manage to hit our stretch goals and the list of aircraft grows, backing at a $40 level or above will increase in value exponentially, getting you the complete set of launch flyables!



    The project is a joint venture between RRG Studios and Eagle Dynamics.
    RRG Studios brings over 10 years of experience with WWII flight simulations to the table. Staffed with flight sim veterans that worked on the greatest WWII flight sim series of the 21st century, we literally wrote the book on the new generation of flight sims.
    Eagle Dynamics is the studio responsible for the biggest modern aviation sims of the past twenty years. In-house experts have industry-best experience with physics, avionics, ballistics, and all other components that go into making a successful flight simulation. Eagle Dynamics continues to redefine the genre and continuously sets the bar high with each new release.
    The Fighter Collection is the company that manages Eagle Dynamics. It is based in Cambridge, England, and it operates Europe’s largest fleet of airworthy WWII aircraft. The Fighter Collection runs the annual Flying Legends airshow, giving us unprecedented access to the aircraft we simulate.
    Oleg Maddox is one of the biggest names in flight sims. A graduate of the world-famous Moscow Aviation Institute, he spent 11 years in the Soviet aerospace industry. He then developed some of the biggest PC games of the Russian market, including unique FPS titles such as Zar and Mad Space. The games offered such innovative features as non-euclidean geometry and speech recognition. Oleg then used their success to focus once again on his childhood obsession with aviation. In 1998 his team began to work on what was to become a smash hit flight sim. The rest is history. Lauded for its unique mix of excitement and realism, Oleg’s work went on to become the biggest and the most award-winning flight simulation of the 21st century. It launched an entire litter of spin-off aerial simulations that continue to this day.
    Oleg’s incredible talent lies in his ability to interact with gamers and to translate their desires into game features. Oleg will act as the team’s advisor, distilling the wishes of the fans into design decisions, and making sure they properly translate into something that satisfies the fans today as well as in the long run. As the team’s foremost expert on aircraft performance and WWII history, Oleg will act as the ultimate quality control on the game, ensuring it meets the highest possible standards of both historical accuracy and playability.
    Ilya Shevchenko is an industry veteran that worked with Oleg's team since the very beginning. Spearheading community efforts, Ilya led the international team of volunteers that created and expanded the original simulation, took it to new theaters, and eventually ended up producing the biggest most comprehensive collection of flyable WWII aircraft ever created.
    Ilya will act as the project’s lead producer. He will take part in all design decisions while managing the day-to-day operations, assigning and tracking tasks, and keeping everyone on their toes. As a member of a relatively small team, Ilya will, as always, dabble in most tasks first-hands, working on the game’s landscapes, building missions, managing voice recordings, and generally making sure things get done.
    Igor Tishin is the driving force behind the successes of Eagle Dynamics over the past 20 years. Starting with the smash hit Su-27 Flanker (1995), he led the team that built the biggest successes in modern combat simulations, including Lock-On: Modern Air Combat, DCS: Black Shark, and many others. Long-time friends with Oleg Maddox, both working out of Moscow, Russia, they had a gentleman’s agreement to avoid direct competition by sticking to their own time frames. Igor is now very excited to finally join forces with Oleg and Ilya and to start a new series of WWII flight simulations.
    Igor will oversee all engine and flight dynamics work on the project. Putting the same effort into the historical accuracy and realism as he did into the recent DCS: P-51 release, Igor will ensure the new WWII aircraft built for this project will satisfy the most discriminating expert.

    First of all, 100% of the funds received will go towards the project.
    The money being raised is only a portion of the development budget. The majority of the programming, including engine improvements, new landscape engine, large chunk of aircraft and object programming, some aircraft art, and more, are costs on top of the Kickstarter budget that the team is funding internally.

    The initial kickstarter goal is needed to fund a longer more extensive beta testing period for the game, giving all its components extra polish, and to make the game landscape more alive by creating a larger variety of ground objects and vehicles, and spending more time to hand-craft various historical areas such as accurate recreations of more coastline villages, important bridges, unique airfields, and more.
    The general project funds will be distributed thus:

    14% will go towards aircraft design, that is, building the 3D models of the planes and cockpits that will appear in the game.
    9% will go towards other 3D models, which include buildings, vehicles, ships, guns, bombs, and other objects that populate the game world.
    16% will go towards landscape design, that is, building the large historical game map or maps.

    14% will go towards a multitude of other development tasks such as GUI design and other art, sound recording, music, and a trip to Duxford for two lucky programmers for an up-close-and-personal encounter with the aircraft being modeled.
    10% will go towards dedicated aircraft programmers.
    12% will go towards the overhead, including office rent, electricity, computer hardware and upgrades, and the cheapest office chairs the store around the corner will have.
    5% will go towards single- and multiplayer mission design.
    Finally, out of the remaining 20%, approx. 9% will go towards Kickstarter and transfer fees. Another 10% or so will be spent manufacturing, shipping, and otherwise providing our backers with their Kickstarter rewards.
    Now, you ask, what about the schedule?
    If we are funded at the basic tier, we will work to have the project finished and available to everyone within 12 months.
    If there is enough interest to fund additional stretch goals, the development schedule will also stretch. At the highest tier, all bells and whistles, the project should be ready within 18 months.

    Our goal is not just to make DCS WWII: Europe 1944, but to grow the DCS WWII line into a long-running simulation series covering all theaters of WWII, and expanding into other nearby conflicts, such as the Korean War.
    We want to keep creating the content that we enjoy creating and that our fans enjoy playing for years to come.
    If the kickstarter does not reach some of the stretch goals, but the project is commercially successful, the unreached stretch goals will be our next target. If we are fully funded, new versions of existing aircraft as well other new aircraft, focusing on both existing and new WWII battlefields, are already in our plans.
    We want to be able to release regular content updates in the shape of new aircraft, new gameplay maps, new ground vehicles, as well as various feature improvements and additions that keep both the game and the game engine ahead of the curve.

    We also plan to turn future commercial success into various free content updates, most importantly in the shape of new historical missions and campaigns that the community can enjoy while waiting for the next aircraft or battlefield.
    In general, we see a clear line of communication on the game’s future constantly evolving and changing based on the wishes of the community. It worked well for us in the past. We want to keep the same spirit with DCS WWI, where both immediate and long-term development goals are clearly communicated to the community, and updates in the shape of individual features or larger content packs are regularly released both commercially and for free.
    Finally, we have huge plans for the game’s multiplayer component. They are outside the listed kickstarter goals because they are a bit too ambitious to fit into the kickstarter timeframe, and because they also stretch to other products in the DCS line. We feel that multiplayer is a huge part of any flight sim’s success, and with Oleg Maddox and some of his former teammates, we have an incredible team that can both design a great comprehensive approach to multiplayer on paper, and implement it into robust, exciting gameplay.

    Ultimately, we are building a robust multiplayer module that covers all aspects of the spectrum from gratuitous free-for-all to rigid historically realistic cooperative, both centrally- and community-run, with persistent online record-keeping and many other features that keep the online war current and exciting for years to come.

    The following aircraft will appear in the game:

    The Messerschmitt Bf.109, often called Me 109, was the mainstay German fighter of WWII. It served with distinction throughout the war, and new variants with new improvements kept it up to date and competitive all the way until the war’s end in 1945.
    The G series 109 modeled in Europe’44 was the most produced of all Bf.109 variants. Many Luftwaffe aces scored a bulk of their kills in the Bf.109G. With a powerful nose cannon, and available underwing gunpods, it could destroy most targets in a single salvo. Its powerful engine, small size and nimble controls also meant it could dogfight on part with any contemporary Allied fighter. However the 109’s inline engine and construction meant that it could not withstand much punishment. Unlike the P-47 Thunderbolt, you really want to avoid getting hit in the Bf.109.

    The Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress was a four-engine heavy bomber, perhaps on the most recognizable aircraft of WWII.
    Sturdy, durable, and easy to fly, it could carry a massive payload. Its advanced Norden bombsight meant that bombs would usually find their target. Beloved by the USAAF crewmen who flew it for its ability to limp back home looking like a hunk of Swiss cheese, the B-17 was equally reviled by the Germans for its participation in what the propaganda termed “terror bombing” and for its bristle of defensive guns.
    Thousands of the Flying Fortresses dotted skies over Germany and occupied Europe. Flying through black splotches of exploding flak, they became a symbol of US air power.

    The Republic P-47 Thunderbolt was one of the most mass-produced American fighter planes of the war. Large and heavy, it amazed both friend and foe twice: first with its sheer size that dwarfed many contemporary fighters, and then with the fact that it could still hold its own in a dogfight.
    However, by 1944 most P-47s were no longer flying as fighters. Newer, nimbler, more advanced P-51 Mustangs replaced them in the role. Instead the Jug as it was affectingly known, flew in the ground attack role. Carrying more bombs and rockets than some dedicated bombers, yet fast and nimble as a fighter, P-47s wreaked havoc on the European countryside. They flew at tree-top level, seeking out German vehicle hiding in the brush, or dove down from the clouds suppressing German firing positions, flipping over attacking Panzers, or strafing infantry with the impressive array of 8 .50-cal machine guns.
    Most importantly, the P-47 was highly durable and could withstand punishment. It could come back home with a bullet through the engine cylinder, a basketball-sized hole in the wing, and the pilot’s armor plating all peppered with enemy rounds. There are even stories of German fighters flying directly behind a damaged P-47 and emptying entire ammo stores right into its back, with the Jug seemingly devouring the rounds with no noticeable effect. If there was one thing the P-47 excelled at, it was getting its pilot back home.

    The Supermarine Spitfire was the most famous, and without a doubt the most beautiful British fighter of the war.
    First earning its fame in the Battle of Britain, the Spitfire went through numerous improvements and modifications. It stayed in service well after the war, serving on all theaters, from Europe to Africa and the Pacific.
    Beloved for its pleasing outlines, powerful armament, excellent engine, and great overall performance, the Spitfire was respected by all adversaries, German, Italian, Rumanian, or Japanese. If anything, Spitfire is the ultimate proof that if it looks good, it flies good.

    The Messerschmitt Me.262A-1 was the world's first operational jet fighter. Product of some of the most advanced engineering anywhere in the world, it was powered by twin Junkers Jumo 004 engines, the most exceptional part of the aircraft. Other countries were also working on their own jet engines, but their program was just a little ahead of everyone else. They were flight-testing when everyone else was by their drawing boards, and by the time everyone else was flight testing, the Luftwaffe was starting production.
    Other than the engines, the aircraft itself was not particularly advanced or novel. It was, in many ways, just a prop plane with jet engines strapped in. However the engines were better, more powerful, and more reliable than anyone else's. So, when Allied bomber crews first spotted strange propellerless aircraft gliding through the air at unbelievable speeds, the shock and awe was complete. The Allies had nothing up their sleeve. For a while, Luftwaffe was back on top.
    After a few months, the general Allied air superiority began to shift the balance yet again. The Germans could not produce the jets fast enough; nor could they replace the pilots they were losing. While the Allies were still flying piston-engine fighters that were just too slow to catch the 262 in combat, many of the German jet pilots were not experienced enough to get much use out of their superior speed. They simply could not aim well enough at those incredible speeds. Then, the Allies had such superiority that they could simply hang around until the jets came in to land, and shoot them down by their airfields.
    Still, the Me.262 is one of the most incredible aircraft of WWII. In capable hands it can make its pilot literally invincible. If flown fast enough, you'll always be beyond your enemy's reach; and if your aim is true enough, the enemy is always at your mercy.

    The Focke-Wulf FW.190D-9, also known as the Dora-9, was one of the most advanced variants of the famous Focke-Wulf single-engine fighter. The FW.190 was a radial-engine counterpart to the inline-engine Bf.109. Just as the Luftwaffe fighter force was split between those two fighters, today's simulation fans are split in their preference. Some prefer the sleek, powerful 109; others swear by the comfortable yet devastating 190.
    Almost futuristic for its time, the Focke-Wulf fighter addressed many of the cockpit workload issues that plagued the 109 till the end of the war. A forerunner of the hands-on-throttle-and-stick methodology, the 190 automated many important functions that required multiple actions by the pilot in a Messerschmitt.
    The D or Dora variant however was a radical departure from the radial engine of the earlier variants. Intended to improve high-altitude performance in response to the Allied bomber raids, the Dora was equipped with a powerful inline engine. This required a dramatic redesign of the entire aircraft, most visible in the greatly lengthened nose section. Pilots nicknamed the FW.190D-9 a "long-nose Dora" as the result. Easy to fly, fast, and well-armed, the D-9 was a formidable opponent and was rightly feared by Allied pilots unlucky enough to encounter it in the air.
    NOTE: The FW.190D-9 will be the same as the upcoming not-yet-announced FW.190D-9 being developed for DCS:World.

    The North-American P-51D Mustang is one of the most famous aircraft of all time. A true star of the American air power both in looks and performance, this amazing aircraft had humble beginnings. Offered almost as an afterthought, or perhaps a gamble, to a British purchasing commission, it started off as an underpowered, cheap, simple fighter with light armament.
    However the inherent strength of the simple design really began to shine, when, a few years later, the P-51 was equipped with a new Merlin engine. The Mustang finally found its strength, and the USAAF suddenly had a great aircraft in its line-up. It was certainly needed. None of the other US fighters had the power or the range to escort heavy bombers to their targets. Losses were heavy. Morale was low. Now, the new version of the P-51 could fly all the way to Berlin and back, and fight anything the Germans could put up on equal terms.
    When Hermann Goering, the chief of the German Luftwaffe, saw glimmering silver P-51s over the Nazi capital, he knew, in his own words, that "the jig was up". Now that the Americans had a fighter capable of reaching anywhere inside the Third Reich, Germans had nowhere to hide.
    NOTE: The P-51 in Europe’44 will be the same as the P-51D already released for Digital Combat Simulator. Please feel free to look into the project for more information about the quality of modeling and attention to detail that went into this aircraft.



    $1 – our heartfelt thanks, access to the backer section with weekly development updates, videos, and more, and a special BACKER medal on our official forums.

    $10 – Everything at the previous level, plus early access to the game’s closed beta.

    $20 - Everything at the previous level, plus a digital copy of one additional flyable aircraft of your choice.

    $30 – Everything at the $10 level, plus a digital copy of two additional flyable aircraft of your choice.

    $40 - Everything at the $10 level, plus a digital copy of all flyable aircraft in the game (this will grow with the stretch goals and possibly end up offering a huge value!)

    $50 - Everything at the $40 level, plus a custom-designed project backer T-shirt.

    $75 - Everything at the $40 level, plus a hard copy of the game’s air combat strategy and tactics manual.

    $100 - Everything at the $40 level, plus a hard copy of the game’s air combat strategy and tactics manual, and a spiral-bound copy of complete aircraft manuals for one flyable aircraft in the game.

    $150 - Everything at the $40 level, plus a hard copy of the game’s air combat strategy and tactics manual, and spiral-bound copies of complete aircraft manuals for two flyable aircraft in the game.

    $250 - Everything at the previous level, plus a mention in the Special Thanks section of the game credits.

    $500 - Everything at the previous level, plus a custom-designed individualized paint scheme for an aircraft of your choice, made by one of our in-house experts.

    $1,000 - Everything at the previous level, a large framed art print from the game signed by all key team members, plus access to weekly team development meetings via Skype where you can participate in some decision-making and keep up-to-date with the development process.

    $2,000 - Everything at the previous level, plus your face on one of the in-game pilot models (space obviously very limited).

    $5,000 - Everything at the previous level, plus your voice in the game, speaking for one of the AI-controlled pilots.

    $7,500 - Everything at the previous level, and a special place as a unique in-game ace in the game encountered in single-player campaigns including your aircraft with a unique ace paintscheme, your voice, your likeness, and focus on your persona in the mission briefing.

    $10,000 - Everything at the previous level, plus we’ll fly you to Moscow (visa is on you) for an entire day with the team, access to early builds, lunch with the development leads, and a night out on the town!


    Risks and challenges Learn about accountability on Kickstarter

    The general risks are always the same: trying to do too much with not enough money and not enough time. We've been doing flight sims long enough to know that, and we've been doing it long enough to, hopefully, know how to avoid it.
    The risks are always there. Unfortunately, there are always some things that you just don't know. Writing complex features from scratch always has that risk. We can't count the number of times when something we thought would take a month ended up taking two, and something we thought would take a week ended up being done in two days. It can go both ways, but of course, it's usually the former.
    The project does contain some unknowns, most importantly the currently unfinished landscape engine, and the multiplayer module. The multiplayer module is in fact so unpredictable that we've taken it out of the kickstarter completely. We're going to work on it, but we'd rather not tie the overall schedule to it.
    Other things, making airplanes fly, making tanks roll through the fields, making bombs explode, is generally rather predictable. It's time consuming, takes a lot of ingenuity and skill, but if we think it will take six months, it usually takes about six months.
    So, the biggest unknown in this kickstarter is the landscape. There is a potential for something unknown, unpredictable, currently lurking in the shadows, jumping out eight months from now and causing us to delay.
    We have been doing this long enough to know that this can happen, so the project has a little buffer.
    We really want to make this work and we really, really, really want to make our fans happy. We've worked countless nights and weekends on our earlier projects and we'll happily do it again. We love what we do and we want to keep doing it, and that, to us, means that we can face any challenge that comes up.


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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    I just pledged the +$50 level....all aircraft + (1) printed manual for (1) airplane

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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    Hell yeah! THIS IS THE TRUE SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR to Cliffs of Dover.

    I just plopped $200 as a thanks for the 500hrs+ I spent on Cliffs of Dover -

    People, please support Luthier's effort! If you not convinced what they are trying to achieve, check out the DCS P-51D module now, you will be astounded! Situations should be much better now as Eagle Dynamics is now in charge of development and final seal of approval (since their brand is at stake).

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    109K4 and 190D9 in Normandy....?

    Hmmm.... someone needs to check the historical record. The 190A5 they promise as possible addition is also wrong for June 1944, by then the Luftwaffe was using 190A6's, A-7's and A-8's.

    The most common 109 models in Normandy were the 109G6 and 109G14. The K4 didn't arrive in the Jagdgeschwader till November of 1944.

    The 190D9 didn't arrive till late August and in very small numbers.

    And:

    However, by 1944 most P-47s were no longer flying as fighters. Newer, nimbler, more advanced P-51 Mustangs replaced them in the role...
    Another factual error. In June 1944, the most numerous aircraft in the USAAF Fighter Groups escorting the B17's and B-24's was the P-47. Many Fighter Groups were converting to the P-51, but this was NOT because the P-47's were less capable as escort fighters, it was because they didn't have the range of the P-51.

    And even though later the P-47's were changed to the ground attack role, they still were classified as fighters, and had a very positive air to air kill ratio. This continuing myth that the P-47 wasn't a good fighter should have been flushed down the toilet long ago, but somehow it manages to rear its malformed and misinformed head again.

    In case someone thinks I am negative on the project, no. I will donate $100 to the fund, hopefully it will reach its goal and more. But I would like to see some realism in their project outline.
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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    I'm going to support it, but I don't think ED are helping much? I mean where are we supposed to see the 2-years work on the "Edge" engine since the last video and this would have been a perfect opportunity?

    I think it will easily reach the $100,000 and with Oleg back onboard, that's a big draw for the team.

    I do love the idea if they reach $1,000,000 the amount of aircraft and possibilities that will be opened up will be incredible.

    Just wondering though, it says they have 30-days to get $100,000. If they reach that amount, does it extend for another 30-days or is the project then seen as viable and left open to add funding to?

    Cheers, MP

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    I think they are still deciding on 109 variants - Luthier had said that they might be doing a 109K since they have much better documentations (available to them), but they are still deciding. Looks like they are switching to the G model, but K is still listed?

    The FW190D is from ED themselves, it was planned before this project is started, like the P-51D....

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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticpuma View Post
    I'm going to support it, but I don't think ED are helping much? I mean where are we supposed to see the 2-years work on the "Edge" engine since the last video and this would have been a perfect opportunity?

    I think it will easily reach the $100,000 and with Oleg back onboard, that's a big draw for the team.

    I do love the idea if they reach $1,000,000 the amount of aircraft and possibilities that will be opened up will be incredible.

    Just wondering though, it says they have 30-days to get $100,000. If they reach that amount, does it extend for another 30-days or is the project then seen as viable and left open to add funding to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bounder! View Post
    The kickstarter is up for DCS WW2

    link http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/...ii-europe-1944

    and Oleg Maddox is involved!

    Really excited about this project, here's hoping they are successful!
    Gonna send them $500. This sounds like my cup of tea. And Oleg back makes me all giggly inside

    This could be very amazing if they can pull it off. They definitely have the team.


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    Hmm...

    I'd love to and most likely will in a couple of weeks. Once the house reno is paid for and I see how much CPR and Intensive Care my bank balance needs. It sounds good for sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Recoilfx View Post
    Hell yeah! THIS IS THE TRUE SPIRITUAL SUCCESSOR to Cliffs of Dover.

    I just plopped $200 as a thanks for the 500hrs+ I spent on Cliffs of Dover -

    People, please support Luthier's effort! If you not convinced what they are trying to achieve, check out the DCS P-51D module now, you will be astounded! Situations should be much better now as Eagle Dynamics is now in charge of development and final seal of approval (since their brand is at stake).
    Exactly. If the kick starter is successful, no more stupid publisher and bean counters pulling the strings. Look what star citizen has done!

    So they have the guys that have made the most successful WWII sim of all time combined with the fidelity of DCS and part of the team from Lock On. This is a whole bunch of win!


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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss View Post
    Oleg back makes me all giggly inside
    Brought a huge grin to my face too. But 'Fighter Collection'/'Duxford'/'Eagle Dynamics'/'Ilya Schevchenko'/'Oleg Maddox' - all in the same breath? Jesus, that's some line-up.

    And I have to say that it leaves a nasty taste in my mouth that none of them is actually allowed to name the combat flight sim they developed to all our benefits.

    I will be supporting their kickstarter, I just have to decide on what level. I wish I had a spare ten grand, frankly.

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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    I'm going to start my own kickstarter....to fun my $10,000 investment....then I can take a camera, interview them all....and ask for the key to CloD code

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticpuma View Post
    I'm going to start my own kickstarter....to fun my $10,000 investment....then I can take a camera, interview them all....and ask for the key to CloD code
    Maybe the Kickstarter is to buy said code from 1C.....Joke......I think......ermmmm............

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    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Bliss View Post
    Gonna send them $500. This sounds like my cup of tea. And Oleg back makes me all giggly inside

    This could be very amazing if they can pull it off. They definitely have the team.
    Bliss,

    I was expecting you to go for the $10,000 with trip to Moscow included.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmus View Post
    Bliss,

    I was expecting you to go for the $10,000 with trip to Moscow included.
    He would need to have vacations for that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Marmus View Post
    Bliss,

    I was expecting you to go for the $10,000 with trip to Moscow included.
    LOL not hardly. Already been to Moscow, just under, umm, more secret circumstances


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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    Im really glad and excited for this and will definitely support it.

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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticpuma View Post
    Just wondering though, it says they have 30-days to get $100,000. If they reach that amount, does it extend for another 30-days or is the project then seen as viable and left open to add funding to?
    Whatever they hit in 30 days is the final sum RRG will get provided they get past the $100k mark - there's no extension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mysticpuma View Post
    I'm going to start my own kickstarter....to fun my $10,000 investment....then I can take a camera, interview them all....and ask for the key to CloD code
    hmm, not a bad idea 'I hereby pledge xyz and all I want is the CloD source code'


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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    I am kicking myself actually for spending money on BoS, as this looks much much better long term investment. Sigh

    Off to explain to my wife why I need another $100 LOL


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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    Did I read it right? Did they say that there is a good chance of no Multiplayer mode in the initial release?

    The project does contain some unknowns, most importantly the currently unfinished landscape engine, and the multiplayer module. The multiplayer module is in fact so unpredictable that we've taken it out of the kickstarter completely. We're going to work on it, but we'd rather not tie the overall schedule to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roblex View Post
    Did I read it right? Did they say that there is a good chance of no Multiplayer mode in the initial release?
    From what I've read (long before the kick starter) the dedicated server software is supposed to come with the EDGE engine. Refinements / features (in the short term) will all depend on the kick starter.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Roblex View Post
    Did I read it right? Did they say that there is a good chance of no Multiplayer mode in the initial release?
    Who cares mate? Oleg is supporting Ilya, in consort with ED, and life is pretty damned wonderful. So in the words of the 'Iron Lady', Rejoice!! Rejoice!! Maybe that wasn't such a good suggestion, in retrospect........
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    Quote Originally Posted by Roblex View Post
    Did I read it right? Did they say that there is a good chance of no Multiplayer mode in the initial release?
    I had assumed they would be using the multiplayer software that exists in DCS currently and they were referring to dedicated server software
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    1/10th of the way in only a few hours. Very good so far!
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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    A master stroke to bring Oleg into the project, that got to be worth several thousands all on its own!
    To anyone waiting on funds, don't forget with kickstarter the money is not taken from your account until the time is up and the target has been met!
    So, pledge away!
    I'm so happy right now, the future of flight sims seems to have turned around big time!

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    Guys im sorry in advance...

    This is *beep!* awesome news!

    50 bucks in, next week!....Im sorry I cant do more....bah

    Oleeeeeeeegg! arrrghhhhh!!
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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    Quote Originally Posted by Tvrdi View Post
    Guys im sorry in advance...

    This is *beep!* awesome news!

    50 bucks in, next week!....Im sorry I cant do more....bah

    Oleeeeeeeegg! arrrghhhhh!!
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    You are so negative these days Tvrdi! If you don't like it, don't pledge, the world won't stop.

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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    I'm not over impressed if there's not going to be MP capability for an undetermined time.

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    Re: DCS WW2 Kickstarter is live

    There'll be a MP - DCS has one already. But I'd say RRG want to built that out and make it a bit more robust. Dedi server capability also needs to be added which I'd say will arrive with the package.

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