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    Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    This is a list of all the controls needed to fly, fight, and bomb with the Messerschmitt Bf 109.

    Messerschmitt Bf 109/ 109-B

    Wheel Chocks

    toggle primary cockpit illumination

    increase gunsight illumination
    decrease gunsight illumination

    toggle selected engine (ignition)

    directional controls (ailerons, elevators, and rudder)

    elevator trim

    throttle

    war emergency power (WEP)

    magnetos-next
    magnetos-previous (optional)

    open radiator
    close radiator

    open oil radiator
    close oil radiator

    increase propeller pitch
    decrease propeller pitch

    toggle prop pitch automation (E-4 models)

    raise landing flaps position
    lower landing flaps position

    raise undercarriage
    lower undercarriage

    engage emergency undercarriage system

    lean to gunsight

    fire machine guns

    fire cannons

    bomb mode selector - next
    bomb mode selector - previous (salvo, single)

    bomb salvo quantity - next
    bomb salvo quantity - previous

    toggle bomb short delay

    toggle bombs armed

    drop ordnance (bomb)

    toggle side window

    toggle canopy

    jettison canopy

    bail out

    map


    Many of these controls can be set to axes controls.
    Put your most used controls closer to your fingertips, for easiest access and better comfort.


    Good luck and have fun.
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Very good!
    but i think you missed:

    next and previous bomb salvo quantity

    toggle bomb short delay

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Always good to have the emergency gear release set as well


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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Yes, I did.

    Thanks Guys.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Can someone PLEASE tell me when and how to use the emergency undercarriage system?

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Mixture???what??
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by Hermann Schwarz View Post
    Can someone PLEASE tell me when and how to use the emergency undercarriage system?
    When you are damaged or engine has seized and you hit the gear down button and the red lights stay on (gear isn't moving) hit the emergency undercarriage system button or pull the handle under the gear selector. This will mechanically release the gear and allow the air stream to start pulling your gear down. The hand pump (repeated presses) may or may not assist in getting them down (green lights) depending on damage.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Torric270 View Post
    When you are damaged or engine has seized and you hit the gear down button and the red lights stay on (gear isn't moving) hit the emergency undercarriage system button or pull the handle under the gear selector. This will mechanically release the gear and allow the air stream to start pulling your gear down. The hand pump (repeated presses) may or may not assist in getting them down (green lights) depending on damage.
    Does it also work when you take damage and your gear comes down?

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by Hermann Schwarz View Post
    Does it also work when you take damage and your gear comes down?
    If you mean will it put your gear back up? Then no, it is only a last ditch effort to get your gear down. Even if you have taken some damage and/or your engine is wind-milling, there is a good chance your gear will come down as the engine is still creating some hyd pressure. If there is no hyd pressure, this mechanically releases the gear so they can come down.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Torric270 View Post
    If you mean will it put your gear back up? Then no, it is only a last ditch effort to get your gear down. Even if you have taken some damage and/or your engine is wind-milling, there is a good chance your gear will come down as the engine is still creating some hyd pressure. If there is no hyd pressure, this mechanically releases the gear so they can come down.
    Makes sense, thanks!

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    I made this a long time ago. The pump handle is definitely required to bring the wheels down. That might not have been its historical function but that is how it is in clod.


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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Thanks Grubs, will come in handy next time it happens

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Thank you for this.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Hey guys,

    Does the standard E-4 model have WEP, or is that just the E-4N?
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    E-4 has WEP, E-4/N also has WEP. It's the E-4/N-derated that doesn't have WEP, afaik

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    I guess I'm confused on what it's supposed to do. When I press the WEP button, the throttle simply goes to 100% position (1.3 ATA). Why can't I just manually move it there myself? I thought the point of WEP was to give you a power setting that exceeds the range of normal throttle operation. The most I can get out of the E-4 is 1.3 ATA. This is correct, yes?
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    perhaps you have two controls mixed up, e.g.

    i'm sure WEP engages when I need it (E-4 goes to 1.4 Ata)

    http://i.imgur.com/DNPS68R.png

    ^"Backspace" is the command that gives me my WEP.

    not sure what else could be wrong

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    I guess I'm confused on what it's supposed to do. When I press the WEP button, the throttle simply goes to 100% position (1.3 ATA). Why can't I just manually move it there myself? I thought the point of WEP was to give you a power setting that exceeds the range of normal throttle operation. The most I can get out of the E-4 is 1.3 ATA. This is correct, yes?
    Maybe due this:

    On Controls are two commands related to WEP - exclusive for German planes.
    Notice that these commands dont work in the same way for all Bf 109, Bf 110 versions, varies accord version. (1)

    TOGGLE WAR EMERGENCY POWER - this command turn on WEP (allow 1.4 ATA), that work for ~1 minute, them automatically turned off, is need wait ~30 seconds to use again.
    Hit the key/button assigned for the command before the one minute expiry dont turn the WEP "off" .

    And

    THROTTLE WAR EMERGENCY POWER - this command instantly moves[/B] the in game throttle lever to 100% (dont allow 1.4 ATA), independent of joystick throttle position.

    - Hit the key/button again dont "reset" the (in game) throttle for the previous position, or the joystick throttle position.
    - But move slight the joystick throttle reset the in game throttle for the actual joystick throttle position. And due this, if joystick axis is fault - spiking, the command can be reset unexpectedly.

    * This command can be assigned to joystick throttle axis (just assign a key together with the axis to differentiate from the power control), but what the difference in move joy' throttle to 100%?:

    In resume, seem not well implement/unfinished command...

    But work for Incog.

    (1) Here all Bf 109 and Bf 110 respond to command Throttle WEP - what give me the same ATA if use joystick throttle - why I dont see poin in use this on key/button.
    Toggle WEP work for all BF 109 versions minus E-4/N Derated and for Bf 110 C-4/N (at least the "HUD" show the message "WEP: ON").

    Sokol1
    Last edited by 1lokos; May-06-2014 at 17:42.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Oh wow! I have been flying around without using WEP correctly for some days now. I can't even imagine the situations I could have avoided by having the extra 1.4 ATA available. Thanks guys!!
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    wonder what your rad settings are...they can help also....water 75-100% oil 30-80% seems pretty common...
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    I keep the oil cooler at 75% for climb, 50% for cruise, and modulate when egressing. For water, 75%-ish for climb, 50% for cruise, and again modulate to avoid overheating when egressing.
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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    i am new with CoD, so i hope this is the right place to ask:

    i just searched in the wiki about bf109 E4, so i need some help:



    "Engine
    DB 601 A-1 with Neuem (“new”) Supercharger, Full Throttle Height = 4500 m @ 1.30 ata/2400 rpm"
    ====> does it mean we need to use the supercharger if hugher than 4500 ?



    "on ground
    RPM[U/min] pressure[ata]
    Emergency power = 1' 2500 1,40
    Short power = 5' 2400 1,30
    Increased cont. power = 30' 2300 1,23
    max. cont. power = d 2200 1,15
    econ. power 1500 0,75


    ===> the info above:
    - does it mean there is a Mathematical relation between RPM & ATA ?
    - may you tell me the meaning of:
    - short power / increase cont. power and max. cont. power and the minutes related to them ?

    thank you very much for your help

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by 3./JG51_Heiden View Post
    I keep the oil cooler at 75% for climb, 50% for cruise, and modulate when egressing. For water, 75%-ish for climb, 50% for cruise, and again modulate to avoid overheating when egressing.
    keep oil at 25% at all times you will never ever overheat.
    water 25% only if your speed is over 500

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by 1lokos View Post
    Maybe due this:

    On Controls are two commands related to WEP - exclusive for German planes.
    Notice that these commands dont work in the same way for all Bf 109, Bf 110 versions, varies accord version. (1)

    TOGGLE WAR EMERGENCY POWER - this command turn on WEP (allow 1.4 ATA), that work for ~1 minute, them automatically turned off, is need wait ~30 seconds to use again.
    Hit the key/button assigned for the command before the one minute expiry dont turn the WEP "off" .

    And

    THROTTLE WAR EMERGENCY POWER - this command instantly moves[/B] the in game throttle lever to 100% (dont allow 1.4 ATA), independent of joystick throttle position.

    - Hit the key/button again dont "reset" the (in game) throttle for the previous position, or the joystick throttle position.
    - But move slight the joystick throttle reset the in game throttle for the actual joystick throttle position. And due this, if joystick axis is fault - spiking, the command can be reset unexpectedly.

    * This command can be assigned to joystick throttle axis (just assign a key together with the axis to differentiate from the power control), but what the difference in move joy' throttle to 100%?:

    In resume, seem not well implement/unfinished command...

    But work for Incog.

    (1) Here all Bf 109 and Bf 110 respond to command Throttle WEP - what give me the same ATA if use joystick throttle - why I dont see poin in use this on key/button.
    Toggle WEP work for all BF 109 versions minus E-4/N Derated and for Bf 110 C-4/N (at least the "HUD" show the message "WEP: ON").

    Sokol1

    well i am still new on CoD, so just to better understand: the 109E4 throttle goes already to "110%" as it was in 109's IL2-1946 ? if yes, the Toggle War Emergency Power comes on top of that 110% ?

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    throttle goes to 100%, WEP is activated separately for one minute at a time only with a minute cooldown and increases the engine load to 1.4 or more ATA (different engines), That is how it is in-game, not sure what the mechanism was in RL.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    may you please alaborate on the "bombing" commands ? the meaning and how to use them ?
    or if you can give me links on bombing training ?

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    I have run across many references to settings for radiators but nothing about controlling rpms using prop pitch settings. I know that the boost (ATA) settings for the various versions of the 109 need to be respected, but what prop pitch settings are experienced 109 jockeys using?
    I am quite used to using the constant speed prop in the Merlin powered aircraft, where you set pitch to get a certain rpm setting and basically leave it there. The German aircraft seem to be quite a bit more complicated, in that you might set pitch to get a certain rpm in level flight, but diving the plane using the same pitch setting will cause an over-rev. I have been trying to get to know the 109 lately and always seem to end up with an oil slick on the windscreen, even with both rads set full open and the ATA set at recommended boost. I use full fine pitch for takeoff (12 o'clock) and set between 11:30-10:00 for most other flight conditions,but I still seem to end up blowing the engine every time.
    I do understand that the E4 has auto rpm, but I would like to learn to fly the other versions as well.

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Here's what I use for most 109s excepting the E4N/DeRated (in which one can go full throttle all day):

    Unlimited cruise setting: 1.25 ATA, 2300-2400 RPM (can go up to 2600 when above 6K)

    My 'never exceed' limit: 2700 RPM

    I normally either throttle down or keep a good eye on my RPMs in a dive or else one very quickly ends up with a shaky plane (if you're lucky), governor failure (in which manipulating the prop pitch no longer works), and/or oil on your wind screen. Overrevs is the number one cause of me (and I bet a lot of other people too) blowing the engine on a 109.


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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    So, what's the procedure? Set ATA first using throttle, then rpm using prop pitch?

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    Re: Messerschmitt Bf 109 controls

    Quote Originally Posted by =FI=Murph View Post
    So, what's the procedure? Set ATA first using throttle, then rpm using prop pitch?
    Typically you set ata first, but as you adjust rpm, the ata will rise of fall depending on whether you are increasing or decreasing rpms.

    So further adjustment is necessary.

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