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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    I'm going to have a look at the changes made with 4.5 and see if I can update things. I have only just downloaded the patch last night and haven't even had a chance to run it yet. I'm hoping to have some time away from work over the holidays to pay some attention to this.

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Ok, thanks for doing this.

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

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    Ok, thanks for doing this.

    Thanks a lot Keller!
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    I'm going to have a look at the changes made with 4.5 and see if I can update things. I have only just downloaded the patch last night and haven't even had a chance to run it yet. I'm hoping to have some time away from work over the holidays to pay some attention to this.
    Thanks, but we of course understand if there are more important things to focus on :)

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    Pretty please! Id like too see this mod for 4.5 .
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Bad news guys, doesn't look like Historical Markings Enabler is going to work for 4.5 or any other version.

    Sorry, there's nothing I can do about it.


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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    These marking can not be included in the official game.
    Understood, but it's a shame, and I for one can't wait until we have them again. You can't help smiling at the thought that it is ok for bombers to rain death and destruction from the air, but not for them to wear authentic markings as they do so!
    Rats! Why doesn't anything work properly first time?

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    The main problem there is that the swastika is a political symbol, not a national one.

    It bothers many for pretty obvious reasons. Others not so much so.

    Personally I wouldn't fly anything with one of those on. Happy to fly 109's without though, no problem.

    Personal choice and I'm not crirtising yours either you understand.

    I do understand the historical arguament.

    But that is the reason its not officially included, that and the fact that in some countries it is illegal.



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    It's not about what the symbol meant for 12 years in Germany, it's only about historical accuracy. To me a WWII Luftwaffe plane without that mark looks like a Spitfire would without a roundel. It's just a gaping hole of inaccuracy.

    The buchons in the Dunkirk movie wore swastikas, for the sole purpose of historical accuracy.
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    It's not about what the symbol meant for 12 years in Germany, it's only about historical accuracy. To me a WWII Luftwaffe plane without that mark looks like a Spitfire would without a roundel. It's just a gaping hole of inaccuracy.

    The buchons in the Dunkirk movie wore swastikas, for the sole purpose of historical accuracy.


    It's exactly about what it meant and means because its meaning is precicely why it is illegal to display in some countries.

    You wouldn't be able to sell the game in those countries. That is why it isn't in the game.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't add them if you want to. I think there is a historical case for that.

    But.

    That is why they are not in the game. Legalities.


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    Incidentally.. I do think how they have it in BoS is really daft !... "sort of a swastika but not really"


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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Bloody hell a debate on "that symbol"

    Not being sensitive BTW I just cant spell it --- anyhow I had to double check I wasn't in the BOS forum for a minute.....they're overdue one of these. Its been literally a day since the last flogged horse debate about historical markings on there.....has anyone mentioned the red star yet?

    Anyhow

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by ATAG_Highseas View Post
    It's exactly about what it meant and means because its meaning is precicely why it is illegal to display in some countries.

    You wouldn't be able to sell the game in those countries. That is why it isn't in the game.

    I'm not saying you shouldn't add them if you want to. I think there is a historical case for that.

    But.

    That is why they are not in the game. Legalities.

    Don't get me wrong, I know exactly why it can't be in the game.

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    Bad news guys, doesn't look like Historical Markings Enabler is going to work for 4.5 or any other version.

    Sorry, there's nothing I can do about it.


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    So no any update of this mod for 4.5 in the future also ? : (((
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    Bad news guys, doesn't look like Historical Markings Enabler is going to work for 4.5 or any other version.

    Sorry, there's nothing I can do about it.


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    So there no way to ever get the old mod updated to work in the current version? If not, couldn't you just add the swastika directly to the skins?

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by StukaKing View Post
    So there no way to ever get the old mod updated to work in the current version? If not, couldn't you just add the swastika directly to the skins?
    I think the answers to both question can be found above on this page StukaKing. Shame but there we go.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StukaKing View Post
    So there no way to ever get the old mod updated to work in the current version? If not, couldn't you just add the swastika directly to the skins?
    I may be wrong, but I believe Steam will detect a change to the skin and replace the files with the stock ones for online play.

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    I may be wrong, but I believe Steam will detect a change to the skin and replace the files with the stock ones for online play.
    Give please normal skins at least for offline!
    Please!!!
    And in Steam we can remove auto updates and then it's possible that Steam nothing can replace
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    Don't get me wrong, I know exactly why it can't be in the game.
    Arguments are clear. But, is it possible to make a working utility offline?
    That would be a good decision.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BOO View Post
    ....has anyone mentioned the red star yet?
    What do you have about the red star?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bear22 View Post
    What do you have about the red star?
    People will argue against the censoring of the swastika in the official game by pointing out how the red star, the symbol of another mass-murdering regime lead by a madman with a moustache, is allowed.

    This is ignoring the fact that the swastika is censored because it's the law, and not up to the developers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cybermat47 View Post
    People will argue against the censoring of the swastika in the official game by pointing out how the red star, the symbol of another mass-murdering regime lead by a madman with a moustache, is allowed.

    This is ignoring the fact that the swastika is censored because it's the law, and not up to the developers.
    This forum is not meant for political disputes, so I will answer only once.
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    To compare the fascist regime and the USSR, to equate them is a crime.
    In the literal sense of the word - Article 354.1. The Criminal Code of the Russian Federation. Quotation: "... as well as the dissemination of knowingly false information about the activities of the USSR during the Second World War, committed in public -
    You are in the west, love order, is not it?
    It was the USSR that brought the main burden of the war against Nazism. The Soviet regime is no more bloodthirsty than American democracy, carpeting the whole world with corpses, or the English colonial empire, and much more. you can talk a long time about this topic, but I will say only this: the USSR was not a criminal state, unlike fascist Germany. And the red star is a symbol of our Victories.Now, in the Baltic States and Ukraine frankly fascist regimes, without irony. And I think that in our age there will be many more wars, unfortunately. "Oh, East is East, and West is West, and never the twain shall meet" (С) -We have different ideas about the world.
    I think that in offline, everyone can do what they want - fly with a swastika or shoot it

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    I may be wrong, but I believe Steam will detect a change to the skin and replace the files with the stock ones for online play.
    Does that mean no more users skins would not alowed on the any online servers? How 1C will control that? Disable the option users skins?

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by III./ZG76_Keller View Post
    Bad news guys, doesn't look like Historical Markings Enabler is going to work for 4.5 or any other version.

    Sorry, there's nothing I can do about it.


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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    By the way, I draw your attention - the utility works, but crosses instead of swastikas on planes.
    So, the files are being replaced.

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    Bear22 - the comment about the stars and the whole symbol things was a throwaway jibe at some other forums (which I assume you are familiar with) where the subject is brought up endlessly, with the same arguments and counter arguments. The comment re the star was a pointed reference at the fact that this is usually the first place those seeking to have developers ignore the laws of nations skulk to when justifying their claims.

    Hopefully you've been around long enough to realise ATAG isn't like that. The reason for is that its moderated exceptionally well by Snapper and, as a result, the rules of conduct are pretty much ingrained within us all.

    As such, whilst I thank you for you explanation/lecture it wasn't needed.
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by BOO View Post
    Bear22 - the comment about the stars and the whole symbol things was a throwaway jibe at some other forums (which I assume you are familiar with) where the subject is brought up endlessly, with the same arguments and counter arguments. The comment re the star was a pointed reference at the fact that this is usually the first place those seeking to have developers ignore the laws of nations skulk to when justifying their claims.

    Hopefully you've been around long enough to realise ATAG isn't like that. The reason for is that its moderated exceptionally well by Snapper and, as a result, the rules of conduct are pretty much ingrained within us all.

    As such, whilst I thank you for you explanation/lecture it wasn't needed.
    My commentary was not about ATAG and not about the game. I do not like the position of the guy with whom I spoke. I explained in detail why. And including - developers ignore the laws of nations - I pointed to our laws. His position is criminally punishable.
    But this has nothing to do with the game. I understand why it is unacceptable to use a swastika in the network. However, I believe that in offline, every user should decide for himself.

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Matt was clarifying my comment about the argument people use about the red star. He was trying to explain to you why I made the comment in the first place since the context in which it was made had clearly not been understood by you. He wasn't stating the case himself just the well rehearsed argument.

    Most of us here are aware of the history. Many of us even take a balanced view of it even if that means facing some uncomfortable truths about our own nations behaviour past and present. What you do is your choice. I wont presume to lecture.

    Ill leave it there out of respect for Snapper.
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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    What an awful shame to hear about this,political correctness gone mad but there you go...it's the world we live in.

    What about downloading third party skins with the swaz included...is it possible in 4.5?

    Hey ho!

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    Re: Historical Markings Enabler for Team Fusion 4.3

    Quote Originally Posted by Bear22 View Post
    What do you have about the red star?
    Simple, the difference is that "red star" win the war and swastika loose, then the "collateral effects" became just statistics.

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